gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
reports across twitter of HDP offices being attacked across the country
2016 Coup in Turkey?
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petee
no gods, no malarkey
Manter
Lunch Mob
Many Syrians, Iraqis, Kurds, Afghans reckon it began long agoAnd so ww3 begins ( I really really hope I'm joking)
No they're not. The AK Party needs no assistance in such affairs.
No need. He'll just ignore it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
If he is able to simply ignore it, then it is by definition no longer hegemonic, and if he is able to purge those institutions which were once the foundation of that hegemony, then it will not only be ignored but dead.
Probably it won't be quite that simple, but if it won't be that simple, tell me why, don't just cast aspersions on my post from your position of lofty condescension.
A highly successful ideology combined with a slightly excessive but entirely understandable and widely popular personality cult in place for almost a century is not so easily purged.
It hasn't been hegemonic for years, but it will remain a force to be reckoned with for the foreseeable future.
ruffneck23
front left
indeed
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Ain't ww3 till it starts in the Pacific and the AmericasAnd so ww3 begins ( I really really hope I'm joking
ruffneck23
front left
good, lets hope they dont get involved, ww1 started somewhere small and escalated , and grew , lets hope this time it doesnt happen again
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
The reports of attacks on Kurds are unsurprising, but disappointing. If the coup had succeeded the army has no love for the PPK, and it could have led to Kurdish pogroms. On the other hand, Erdogan is unsurprisingly using this situation to consolidate his power base. He sees the Kurds as an internal terrorist problem and will use the coup has an excuse to come down, even harder on them, If thats even possible. Turkey's been using the war with Syria as a barely concealed attempt to destroy the Kurds, now that Erdogan has "justification" to come down hard on dissidents and internal rebels, it could get very ugly in South Eastern Turkey/Kurdistan.
The Kurds are not an insignificant problem like an insect bite. They are well armed and have a proud sense of their own history.
ska invita
back on the other side
Libyans Egyptians Sudanese Ethiopians yemenese....uk us France Russia. ..big enough
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No-one is trying to destroy the Kurds. Erdogan wants to destroy the PKK.
To conflate the PKK with "the Kurds" is like conflating the IRA with "the Irish."
Manter
Lunch Mob
Er, tell that to the HDP. Or to residents of places like Sur.
ruffneck23
front left
Reports on lbc that the US are being blocked from access to their nuclear missle base in Turkey
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh this will end well
Was yesterday Sat. Incirlik air base. Apparently no in or out, no external power, airspace closed. Place houses X nukes as well. Still appears that way.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
THe ECHR has condemned Turkey for the thousands of human rights abuses. The judgments are related to executions of Kurdish civilians, torturing, forced displacements, destroyed villages, arbitrary arrests, murdered and disappeared Kurdish journalists. The latest judgments are from 2014.
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/app/conversion/pdf/?library=ECHR&id=001-128036&filename=001-128036.pdf
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America shouldn't hand over Gulen to that Islamist virtual dictator Erdogan......bastard should have been put up against a wall & shot. He brought the coup on himself. He's playing tough guy.....shutting down Incirlik.....hampering the fight against ISIS, which Erdogan was only pretending to fight. Time to threaten cutoff of all military & economic aid.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Do you happen to know anything about the 1980s in Turkey?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
To bolster internal support from nationalists and islamists and external support from other states or oppositions within those states by playing on old and well embedded tropes and prejudices. Particularly with the coming planned oppressions in mind.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
A big step though, no? The US knows those tropes as well as anyone and hardly likely to take kindly to Turkey going down that path. Nor are the EU for that matter. Or maybe they'll all be happy enough regardless as long as military access reopens and trade goes on.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What they going to do right now though? Erdogan is going to exactly what he wanted to and been manouvering to make possible for years now - that's his whole MO. See theongoing stand off between the US and Turkey over the YPG/J+SDF right now.
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