SovietArmy
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2016 Coup in Turkey?
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
mother asked where they will get the prison space to keep them all. I told her they won't likely need any prison space.
ruffneck23
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Hmm I think you may well be right
Anju
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I got this through a friend on Facebook so not sure how accurate it is.
Quick point on Turkey:
Most people don't realize this but there are three major factions that in various ways vie for power.
The first is Erdogan and AKP (Justice & Development Party) which is in the milieu of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is close to those same networks and pursues MB policies, representing the typical petit bourgeois class that MB always represents.
The second is the Kemalist Turkish nationalists. They are historically connected to the Turkish military and deep state, similar to Egypt. They have historically been friendly with NATO while maintaining a somewhat friendly attitude to neighbors and Russia.
The third is the faction around Fetullah Gulen, the super-rich Turkish businessman who runs one of the world's largest charter school and private school networks. He is very close to the CIA and has been more or less at war with Erdogan for the last few years.
These three factions have been fighting for power for a while now, and it is these conflicts that really drove Erdogan to consoldiate his power as he has, and implement the draconian laws that have created Turkey's police state.
There's much more to this story, but I'll have to put it all together in a piece as it's too much for a post right now.
Quick point on Turkey:
Most people don't realize this but there are three major factions that in various ways vie for power.
The first is Erdogan and AKP (Justice & Development Party) which is in the milieu of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is close to those same networks and pursues MB policies, representing the typical petit bourgeois class that MB always represents.
The second is the Kemalist Turkish nationalists. They are historically connected to the Turkish military and deep state, similar to Egypt. They have historically been friendly with NATO while maintaining a somewhat friendly attitude to neighbors and Russia.
The third is the faction around Fetullah Gulen, the super-rich Turkish businessman who runs one of the world's largest charter school and private school networks. He is very close to the CIA and has been more or less at war with Erdogan for the last few years.
These three factions have been fighting for power for a while now, and it is these conflicts that really drove Erdogan to consoldiate his power as he has, and implement the draconian laws that have created Turkey's police state.
There's much more to this story, but I'll have to put it all together in a piece as it's too much for a post right now.
Anju
Well-Known Member
Is this by public or government? Terrible either way.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
grim. Can't imagine paid brit soldiers allowing themselves to be disarmed so. Warning shots then real shots. Those led these lot into an abortive coup have done a terrible thing to their troops.
bi0boy
Power User
They are outnumbered by armed "police"/"citizens"
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
cheers, had in my mind the idea of an unarmed body of civs. Makes more sense now.
Anju
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Another post shared by a friend on Facebook. Written last night around 23:30 UK time, so pretty early in events of last night. Seems insightful and presents a picture of unpleasantness to come.
So, my special friend in Istanbul says this, despairingly: "Most probably a real coup attempt, which was vaguely known beforehand, and was allowed to proceed, because they knew it to be disorganised and weak. This means it will be followed by a real coup by Erdoğan himself, and the last remnants of democracy will be lost. So worse becomes the worst. The Kurdish movement and all of us in the opposition will be targeted in the coming days. A civilian brown-shirt movement is already in the making, and this will rule the streets once the so-called coup is defeated in a couple of days". So frightening!
So, my special friend in Istanbul says this, despairingly: "Most probably a real coup attempt, which was vaguely known beforehand, and was allowed to proceed, because they knew it to be disorganised and weak. This means it will be followed by a real coup by Erdoğan himself, and the last remnants of democracy will be lost. So worse becomes the worst. The Kurdish movement and all of us in the opposition will be targeted in the coming days. A civilian brown-shirt movement is already in the making, and this will rule the streets once the so-called coup is defeated in a couple of days". So frightening!
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Erdogan supporters literally taking their belts to them!
This is the sort of picture I mean, the people attacking them are built more like soldiers than the soldiers.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
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Wouldn't surprise me if these soldiers were duped into mounting a coup so that Erdogan gets an excuse to grab more powers.
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Wouldn't surprise me if these soldiers were duped into mounting a coup so that Erdogan gets an excuse to grab more powers.
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8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Duped? Those are conscripts getting lynched.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Mr.Bishie
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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Erdogan supporters literally taking their belts to them!
Half ..or more..of those cunts have most likely spent the last few years chopping heads off Syrian conscripts . There's reports some of those soldiers were flung off the bridge. And possibly worse .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Wouldnt be surprised if that's Grey Wolves .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
That in itself could lead to another proper coup in future..if there's anyone left in the army to carry it out once the sultan has finished his purge. This inept business seems more like a tremor rather than the real thing .
Erdogan has actually called it " a gift from God " . Turkey is about to go into a very dark place . No doubt about that .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Not really. These will have been organised " civilians " . Muslim brotherhood, Grey Wolves, all sorts of Islamists and the like . Many, if not all , of whom have been very active in Syria . Erdogan and his cronies have always feared a coup. These contingencies will have been long in the making . Imams were wailing away from virtually every minaret in the country for people to go on the streets.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Some speculation on my part: please tell me if it's an hysterical overreaction, or a likely (or even just possible) scenario.
Erdogan will now use his political capital to kill off Kemalism as the hegemonic, official ideology of Turkey - 'kill off' both metaphorically and literally.
Erdogan will now use his political capital to kill off Kemalism as the hegemonic, official ideology of Turkey - 'kill off' both metaphorically and literally.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Of course. He's called this a gift from God . He's over the moon at what he can do next . Ecstatic. Which would make you wonder whether this inept venture is truly as it seems . The Internet wasn't shut down . Power wasn't turned off. Erdogan was missed , as were all the rest of his leading figures. Seems to have been next to no backbone in it at all . There may have been a nudge or 2 of encouragement behind this I reckon . It was way too inept and he was way too lucky. And way too confident way too soon . Very fishy . And the people hell go after now will be those who could mount a serious challenge to him but didn't .
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