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2016 Coup in Turkey?
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I've chosen to break the link, I'll give you that.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Offices of Turkey’s satirical magazine LeMan reportedly attacked, and banned from news stands - Turkey’s LeMan Office Reportedly Attacked, Magazine Banned From Newstands
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Why do you regularly post links to these kind of sites?
You're not being controversial against the 'liberals,' it looks dodgy.
An ideology containing fascism, cultural racism and a 'revolutionary' geopolitics which places Russia as the storm centre of a reordering of the world is automatically a good thing because the USA is the main enemy?
The article itself doesn't say much beyond American meddling from a geopolitical standpoint.
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I don't regularly post links to these kind of sites, I have posted articles on Moon of Alabama though, which you don't like because you disagree with said articles and find whatever dodgy comment you can trawl up from the comments section in order to discredit said article.
I found the Katehon article in the course of looking at if and how the coup situation could effect Turkey's NATO membership, I read the article and thought it worth seeing what people on here might think about it then I looked at Katehon itself and found it to contain nuts, but that doesn't mean thoughts on the article itself would not in themselves be enlightening. It's a good idea to bounce things off things imo, that's how you play squash anyway.
Personally I think you need to be bolder in the way you engage with the ideas and opinions out there, to me you resemble an ostrich at this point. Just my opinion mind... but better to chose confrontation over evasion, better to close with your opponents then hide yourself in the warm fluffy depths of only stuff you already agree with. I consider this "flock-approach" of yours kind of dangerous to be honest. Bremainers made the same mistake, look how they were left blinking in clueless confusion when the result of the vote flew in the face of their expectations, seeming to have absolutely no idea why people who weren't a Nigel Farrage cartoon would actually vote to leave.
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sovietwave
I know more about Dugin's Neo-Eurasianism than you do. It's not ostrich-like to point out the online far-right milieus you visit to 'inform' yourself of anti-US politics in Russia.
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Dunno what you've put quotes around inform for. Anyway this isn't about anti-US politics, it's about what if any kind of friction might occur off the back of this coup that could lead to some sort of scary stand off between Turkey and the US, how dangerous could this thing get for the rest of planet Earth. I make no secret of the fact that I have a pretty grim opinion of the US and think that as far as Ukraine, Crimea and Syria is concerned I don't see Russia as a threat. But that's not what is being discussed here. Most usefully with your vast knowledge, you don't think that article says anything more than standard Russian anti-Americanism then, which is fair enough. You could have just said that by the way.
eta: There's a depressingly large amount of rightwing stuff out there, once you venture off the reservation it turns out vast numbers of people do not think like us on here. Ignoring em won't make them go away unfortunately.
You don't know what you're talking about. You just admitted that you had no idea what Kemalism is. A sensible person might want to educate themselves a bit before spouting off in public on matters of which they know nought.
For one thing, a large and representative element of "the Kurdish community" is part of the Turkish government.
And once again: the PKK represents the extreme end of the spectrum of Kurdish politics, being committed to violent revolution. They are about as representative of "the Kurds" as the IRA are of "the Irish."
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sovietwave
Dugin's politics aren't widely known. You keep bumping into this stuff though. You don't need a 'vast knowledge' to see the filth you cover yourself in. I haven't been ignoring your interests.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Unlike you I don't pretend to swagger in with absolute confidence bluster and bullshit and try and throw my weight around the thread.
You've made this IRA/PKK analogy multipile times, it's false because aside from a few really exceptional insistences the British didn't engage in collective punishment, and ethic cleansing which the Turkish Government has done so.
You keep saying that the Turkish government only goes after the PPK what about the Diyarbakır detentions in 2006, over 500 children arrested? Kurdish political parties are banned, and one MP received a 15year sentence for merely stating she supported Kurdish self determination. And while I may be a little rusty on Turkish nationalism I can talk about the Ilisu dam and the human rights abuses that took place during it's construction.
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gawkrodger
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and a three month state of emergency has been announced
Erdoğan declares three-month state of emergency in Turkey
Erdoğan declares three-month state of emergency in Turkey
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Are you a fascist now as well ? Is that the official line at long last ? Strasserite or 3 rd position ?
Of course the Russians couldn't possibly have any justification for thinking the US has it in for them. No sirree, it's all just paranoia on their part.
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sovietwave
Who are the 'Russians'? My friends? What?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
lord dwy-dwy's not been on fine form today
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sovietwave
Instead of trying to funnel me down a route whereby I am expected to defend a position that I don't hold have a think about what it is you may be defending, while in the process of being a smart arse.
And have a think about how foolish it is to conflate Russian state interests with The Russians. In which a complex society disappears.
And have a think about how foolish it is to conflate Russian state interests with The Russians. In which a complex society disappears.
coley
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No, there is no real comparison, the Kurds are an oppressed people, as where the Irish and the British came to an acceptable ( if somewhat imperfect) compromise, ratified by a referendum in the early 70s.
The Kurds have had no such opportunity to seek self determination, this is what lies at the root of the current situation, had they had such an opportunity,then perhaps there would have been no need for organisations such as the PKK and even if such organisations had emerged, despite a possible acceptance of Turkish dominance, than the Turkish govt would have had the moral high ground in using force against them.
As it is, the Turkish govt and Kurds and now the arrested, gagged Turkish liberal establishment are in a three ringed fight.
Happy days, and let's be honest, Erdogans going to have to increasingly rely on the Islamic ' hard core' to retain power.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Death penalties all round
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Are you a fascist now as well ? Is that the official line at long last ? Strasserite or 3 rd position ?
I used to have some Hugo Boss aftershave, does that count?
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
The cycling community have spoken
(Erdogan = goatlover)
(Erdogan = goatlover
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Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
There are still mobilizations in the streets every night all over Turkey.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
I used to have some Hugo Boss aftershave, does that count?
Aha...the unmistakable whiff of Strasseritism.
Bet you slip up every now now and then and call your living room your lebensraum .
Your card is marked . Sonny Jim .
miss direct
misfungled
A little update from me, although I'm not in Turkey. I should have been back at work on Thursday morning, as summoned by the sultan. My colleagues went and have to sit at work all day although there are no classes to teach. The British consulate did some digging and found out that this travel ban doesn't apply to foreigners but we still have to write to the university rector for "permission" to leave the country. We've also been told that nobody is allowed to quit during the state of emergency (the next three months). I've pretty much made up my mind to leave. How can they stop me???
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Practicing for the next coup no doubt
Are these pro-Erdogan or pro this other Islamic sect?
It does not seem to be pro Ataturk social democracy let alone anything more left wing.
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Starry Wisdom
Army mobilizations, testing their capabilities
Not army, but imo conservative street protestors.
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