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What stupid shit has Trump done today?

Well, it's pretty clear that the Trump team have been more than happy for the Putin government to get their fingers into the techy pies of the US.

The "cybersecurity pact," would just formalise the arrangement and give it official Presidential approval.

Just another example of the, "We know this isn't in the interests of the American people, but it's good for me and mine, so we don't care and you can't do anything about it, chumps."
The Russian interference stuff is a joke. Has anybody ever explained, in precise detail, what 'The Russians' are supposed to have done?

Have they induced any murderous military coups in Latin America lately? Or sent military forces halfway around the world to devastate any soveriegn states after no/minimal provocation?

The Putin government may be made up of kleptocrats and other assorted bastards. But so is the US government, of any stripe, and its ruling elite, whether 'liberal' or 'conservative'. Put down in post-Soviet conditions, can you imagine how these thieves and scoundrels woud behave?
 
The Russian interference stuff is a joke. Has anybody ever explained, in precise detail, what 'The Russians' are supposed to have done?
The issue isn't what the Russians are supposed to have done. It's what the Trump campaign in cooperating/colluding with the Russians is supposed to have done.
 
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That is liberalism for you, the very essence of it. Regardless of what some fools say, socialism has nothing to do with liberalism, in fact it is the very antithesis of it. I may sound like broken record player as I keep pressing this point but until sections of the left detach themselves from liberalism (politically and ideologically) and begin to oppose them with the same degree of passion as they do the conservatives and far-right, then it is a point we must keep on pressing.
If the left does as you want, they are fools and help the conservatives and far right.
 
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There's way, way more compassion for human beings among Clinton voters than among Trump voters.
Compassion on their terms. As with the Remainers here, they seem disturbed by the fact that too many of those for whom they supposedly have compassion reject the terms they set out. Those who fail to see the world as they do are by definition fools.
 
Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

This weekend, Donald Trump Jr, disclosed meeting with a Russian lawyer with links to the Kremlin, after he was promised damaging information on Clinton. Kushner and Manafort were also in attendance.

This is another incremental step on from the whole 'GOP operative (possibly with the knowledge of Team Trump) tried to contact hacker (possibly RIS) to hack Clinton's email of a few weeks ago.
 
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Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

This weekend, Donald Trump Jr, disclosed meeting with a Russian lawyer with links to the Kremlin, after he was promised damaging information on Clinton. Kushner and Manafort were also in attendance.

This is another incremental step on from the whole 'GOP operative (possibly with the knowledge of Team Trump) tried to contact hacker (possibly RIS) to hack Clinton's email of a few weeks ago.
Not the least bit surprised by this, nor will I be surprised when the GOP led congress does damn all about it.

Oh shit, I forgot, there's not any evidence of Russian involvement in anything to do with the US elections or Trump administration, regardless of unimportant things like, y'know, actual evidence. It's been "vehemently denied" by Putin, and so many good people on Urbanz, so of course it's true. :rolleyes:
 
Not the least bit surprised by this, nor will I be surprised when the GOP led congress does damn all about it.

Oh shit, I forgot, there's not any evidence of Russian involvement in anything to do with the US elections or Trump administration, regardless of unimportant things like, y'know, actual evidence. It's been "vehemently denied" by Putin, and so many good people on Urbanz, so of course it's true. :rolleyes:
Maybe the Russians should have sent their own John McCain to whip up the Trump rally crowds Ukraine style.
 
Will Congress Hold Russia Accountable for the Behavior Trump Excuses?

Is that a flock of swine I see gliding over the horizon?

Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election to help Donald Trump. Donald Trump publicly welcomed that help, and integrated the fruits of Russian intervention into his closing campaign argument. (“I love WikiLeaks!”) Since being elected he has attempted to tilt American policy toward Russia, above all by his persistent and repeated attempts to lift the sanctions imposed by President Obama to punish Russia for its invasion of Crimea in 2014 and for its election-meddling in 2016.

Uncertainties remain: Did the Trump campaign actively coordinate its messaging with Russia? Were any U.S. laws violated along the way? What exactly are Trump’s motives? What are Russia’s? And Sunday’s latest revelations added one more: Was Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting with a shady Russian lawyer who offered dirt on Hillary Clinton in any way connected to the WikiLeaks drop a few days later?

The question now turns to the rest of the American political system. Senate Majority Leader McConnell warned Obama against taking action against Russia during the election. Whatever is said of Obama’s decisions, one of Obama’s motives for inaction was the knowledge that congressional Republicans would take Trump’s and Russia’s side if he tried to act. Congressional investigations into Russian meddling have been stalled (in the Senate) and outright sabotaged (in the House). Even as Trump in Hamburg absolved Putin of consequences for election interference, House Speaker Paul Ryan, at the behest of Trump, is stalling in the House the measures the Senate approved 97-2 to prevent Trump from lifting existing sanctions on Russia. It’s fine for Republicans like Senator Marco Rubio to tweet sarcastic comments about Trump’s plans for cyber cooperation with Russia. Congress can do more than tweet—if it chooses.
 
so this photo was faked up for some reason:
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making it look like putin had stolen mays seat.
 
The thing about the knowledge economy though is that it need not be restricted to cities. There's nothing to stop fast broadband being rolled out to rural areas and "knowledge" companies setting up in small towns like the car components factories and printing presses did in the 50's and 60's. Weird thing is, local councillors and state legislators seem to have an appetite for tax breaks for firms wanting to dig landfills or frack, but not for digital industries, which potentially would employ loads more people without fucking up the environment.

There's some of that being done:

Silicon Holler: How workforce retraining is bringing tech jobs to Appalachia - TechRepublic

"Silicon Prairie," America's new entrepreneurial frontier

The big thing slowing it down is the lack of infrastructure. During the depression the federal government rolled out the Rural Electrification Act to get electricity out to rural areas. When phones became a thing, the government mandated the Ma Bell service those areas. With the advent of digital technology, there hasn't been a concerted effort to do the same thing with digital and cell services.

The other issue is that the educational system in rural areas isn't geared toward preparing kids for tech jobs. Where I'm from, they made sure we knew accounting and business skills because most kids would be staying on the farm. I had 10 in my graduating class and out of those, I think six ended up farming. (No one should accuse a farmer of being unskilled. To be a successful farmer, you need a broad range of skills.) Two others ended up as secretaries until they married.
 
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its the character length that turns everyone into a fucking child. Shakey said that brevity was the soul of wit. But they didn't have twitter in those days
 
A little OT, but here's what I think needs to happen in rural areas:

* Expand the tech infrastructure into rural areas with something like the Rural Electrification Act.
* Fully fund schools in rural areas. The tax base isn't suited to funding rural schools so you get situations where some schools get $15K per student and others get $3K per student. We need to even out the funding so everyone has access to a decent education. (The same goes for inner city schools).
* Expand skills training in electrical, plumbing, and roofing contracting. Trying to get someone in to do home maintenance is almost impossible in rural areas. I've had to pay a premium to get someone in from as many miles away as 75 to 100 miles. Those jobs are trained for relatively quickly and pay well enough to support a family.
* People in rural areas have very little idea of the wave of technology that's going to hit. For instance, truck driving is a rural standby. If you can't farm, driving a truck is a way to make a living. Those jobs are going away soon. There needs to be an effort made to educate adults in the tech changes that will effect them. If you're prepared for change, when it comes, you're better able to adjust to it.
* Diversify rural economies. Many small towns are dependent on one industry or one employer. I do see some effort this way. There's a growing number of farmers that are moving toward agri-tourism, instead of just trying produce one commodity like corn or beef.
* Make sure STEM education gets out to rural areas. A lot of the kids are never going to get into tech jobs simply because they don't have the preparation for that economy.
* Make sure that at minimum a two-year post-high school education is available to everyone.
* Start business incubators in small towns, with mentoring from business owners to get people started.

I'm sure if I thought about it, I could think of a few other things, but that's what I got off the top of my head. I'm sure some of it is wrong or not possible, but there you go.
 
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How would you explain the lack of empathy and other sociopathic tendencies of the generally secular Silicon Valley set?
When I was working at the Stanford campus I got a train into SF from Palo Alto with a bunch of mostly white bread liberal kids determined to protest George Bush's inauguration but that's not really what the tech people are like. They're probably working at the weekend for a start rather than being pointlessly rude to Republicans. But they not mostly rent seeking apex predators like Larry Ellison or Larry Page either. Typical Silicon Valley entrepreneur/foot soldier is a devoutly Hindu South Indian with a technical degree or PHD. These are the people who made the dot.com boom. They'll have competed for their place at university with 200 other gifted kids. They tend to be conservative but vote Dem and think they've landed in nerd Nirvana. They're as sociopathic as your average corner shop owner but they do expect everyone to work damned hard and they won't respect you if you don't. Their mercilessly driven kids may have a couple of startups in the works by they time they can drive. They love their adopted country but do often find Americans exasperatingly strange. Obsessed with sports rather than the hard grind of book learning that raised them up.

Consider this:
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This is obviously a problem. I showed that to a Hindu mate of mine who lives in the Bay Area and he was outraged 23% of US Hindus don't have a college degree. His attitude was this is basically child neglect. I found such people actually pretty compassionate but there are limits. Beyond being socially conservative and perhaps flying a Stars&Stripes on the porch they don't have much in common with the Evangelicals at the bottom of that table who also are often from left areas. When you've got a lot of country very happy with a "Muslim Ban" that endangered the Green Cards of a lot of Silicon Valley types that's probably stretched real thin. However you can see who is more future proofed.

Rural area have a basic problem because they are all spread out and the sort of good technical and social infrastructure that tech rests by its nature clusters. Physical proximity still matters. On top of that you've got a changing labour market that requires more educated and highly trained workers. Actually it favours women who tend to stick to book learning better than American men who often aspired to be jocks and despised nerds.

There is an obvious thing that might be tried in left behind areas: Californication. Trying to get some nerdy foreign talent to set up shop where it's lacking instead of in California to jump start things. Take a punt on a series of startups expecting most to fail but bring in people who know how to do it and how they do things will bleed into the local population. Ideally cooperate with existing tech operation and send locals out to work with them in other states just as Japanese car companies sent US workers to Japan to learn their MO. There's a whole set of prerequisites for that. Because looking at the table above in some places you have to change the culture to one that really values education and constant training like the Germanic countries do. Perhaps not the full Hindu but at least up to Mormon levels. The best way is by example. If that doesn't happen there's just going to be more and more people whose livelihoods get swept away by automation and that's been the main blue collar job killer not trade deals and immigrants. Of course this is embracing frightening change and a tech heavy future. Having nothing to fear but fear itself. The reverse of telling people comforting fairy tales about all their problems being due to cheating foreigners and the future is bringing back a lost past were all you needed was a good pair of hands. The latter may be better politics unfortunately.
 
Can't say I remember Mormons having that strong a rep for the new-fangled book-larnin' CrabbedOne old bean. The Mormon uni, Brigham Young University is basically the joke of the US system.
 
There's some of that being done:

Silicon Holler: How workforce retraining is bringing tech jobs to Appalachia - TechRepublic

"Silicon Prairie," America's new entrepreneurial frontier

The big thing slowing it down is the lack of infrastructure. During the depression the federal government rolled out the Rural Electrification Act to get electricity out to rural areas. When phones became a thing, the government mandated the Ma Bell service those areas. With the advent of digital technology, there hasn't been a concerted effort to do the same thing with digital and cell services.

The other issue is that the educational system in rural areas isn't geared toward preparing kids for tech jobs. Where I'm from, they made sure we knew accounting and business skills because most kids would be staying on the farm. I had 10 in my graduating class and out of those, I think six ended up farming. (No one should accuse a farmer of being unskilled. To be a successful farmer, you need a broad range of skills.) Two others ended up as secretaries until they married.
Yes this. An electrical co-operative supported originally by government funds laid down the infrastructure and still provides the power supply to the county I'm from and the one next door. My mum proudly stayed with the co-operative that put in the phone lines for her telephone service. She was a nightmare with telecom telesales people, extolling the virtues of her phone service, and the fact she got a dividend every year. "You don't get that with AT&T, do you?"

The land grant universities and Co-operative Extension service - both government funded, went a long way to disseminate agribusiness and home economic skills in rural areas starting over a hundred years back I think. And I learned more and had more opportunities from being in 4H than I ever got from the school system.

So, there's a long history of government investment and support for infrastructure in even the deepest rural areas, but now, I don't think there is the will.

Sadly, I'm increasingly convinced there is a definite agenda behind the Trump and GOP policies that's more than just greed and incompetence. It's steps towards setting up a fundamentalist Christian autocracy. Women will have to give up work to care for people when there's no health and social care. Destitute people will only have the church to turn to for food in exchange for their souls. GOP legislators are happy to ignore Trump's rants because they have their eye on the prize, and he's a useful tool to get there. :(
 
Can't say I remember Mormons having that strong a rep for the new-fangled book-larnin' CrabbedOne old bean. The Mormon uni, Brigham Young University is basically the joke of the US system.
Not to demean Mormons but I was aiming low. You don't want to get carried away with things academic. You could end up an Anthropologist and unable to avoid bouncing your huge pointy cranium off door frames. Been running into Mormons in the tech business for decades. I've found them quite a brainy Ivy League lot rather than theocratic hayseeds. Some Evangelicals too but I can't recall a Southern Baptist.

In Forbes Silicon Slopes Vs. Silicon Valley: Four Tech Unicorns, Thousands Of Startups, No Frenzy
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Among the state’s more than 4,000 tech startups, at least four are unicorns, venture-backed companies valued at more than $1 billion: Pluralsight, Qualtrics, Domo (founded by Josh James, who’d previously founded Omniture), and InsideSales. Many more could become billion-dollar companies if the stars align. Among them are Health Catalyst, a platform for health-related data from different systems; Workfront, an online project management software company; MaritzCX, a customer experience platform; and Owlet, makers of a high-tech baby sock monitor that FORBES named to its 2016 list of Next Billion-Dollar Startups. Instructure, an educational technology company that went public in 2015, has a market cap approaching $700 million, while Vivint, a provider of security and home automation, was acquired by Blackstone for $2 billion.

Utah’s Mormon culture, with its focus on family and hard work (and going door-to-door), lends itself to startups. FORBES named it the best state to do business for the third time in 2016. Fast-growing companies can count on a deep pool of young, educated job candidates from Brigham Young University and the University of Utah. And venture capital firms have caught on, pouring $2.5 billion into Utah in the last three years, compared to $1.1 billion the three years before that, according to the PwC/CB Insights MoneyTree Report. “It’s not putting a huge dent in Silicon Valley, but what’s happening in the state is pretty significant,” says PwC’s Tom Ciccolella, who leads the firm’s U.S. venture capital practice.

Outsiders may not think of Utah as a tech hotspot, but history suggests otherwise. Back in 1927, Philo Farnsworth, of Beaver, Utah, produced the first electronic television transmission. Forty-five years later, Utah inventor Nolan Bushnell founded Atari. In 1978, Alan Ashton and Bruce Bastian – an instructor and his student at Brigham Young University – started WordPerfect. More recent success stories include Fusion.io (acquired by SanDisk for $1.1 billion in 2014), Ancestry, retailer Overstock.com, Armada Skis, and headphone-maker Skullcandy. “Utah has this very rich history that a lot of people don’t know, and we don’t do a good job of telling this story,” says Clint Betts, executive director of Silicon Slopes, a nonprofit that set up recently to work with the state’s tech companies.
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Some googling skills eh. I suspect BYU may not be worse than Bob Jones University. There's a lot of shitty colleges to chose from in the US. UU seems to be a decent enough school, this gives it a very respectable world rank 55th.
 
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