US election 2020 thread

[gentlegreen]

Stanford Study Seeks to Quantify Infections Stemming From Trump Rallies (Published 2020)

The researchers used a statistical model to extrapolate infections tied to 18 rallies, and the study’s figures were not based on individual cases traced directly to particular campaign events.

www.nytimes.com

 

[gentlegreen]

Meanwhile, in La La Land.... and the coked-up son's contribution adds to the halloween experience ...

 

[bimble]

Its amazing really, i'm pretty sure the man knows nothing about what fascism is but all his instincts are spot on, he's just an untutored spontaneous incarnation.

 

[gentlegreen]

Its amazing really, i'm pretty sure the man knows nothing about what fascism is but all his instincts are spot on, he's just an untutored spontaneous incarnation.

Indeed, it's a good job he's a moron.

 

[maomao]

Its amazing really, i'm pretty sure the man knows nothing about what fascism is but all his instincts are spot on, he's just an untutored spontaneous incarnation.
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The patriotism stuff is very normal for the US. It's the claiming that it's all being destroyed by the other side that's the real rhetorical point. Like when the DM says the left are banning Christmas (I know he's done that one too).

 

[bimble]

Yep i do forget that all school children (all of them?) in america sing to the flag every morning don't they.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Yep i do forget that all school children (all of them?) in america sing to the flag every morning don't they.

That and the tons of flags everywhere is probably the oddest thing about the US.

 

[maomao]

Yep i do forget that all school children (all of them?) in america sing to the flag every morning don't they.

It's not singing, it's a spoken pledge. I lived there as a kid for a bit but I was always allowed to skip the pledge.

 

[platinumsage]

Its amazing really, i'm pretty sure the man knows nothing about what fascism is but all his instincts are spot on, he's just an untutored spontaneous incarnation.
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This was pretty spot on

 

[farmerbarleymow]

It's not singing, it's a spoken pledge. I lived there as a kid for a bit but I was always allowed to skip the pledge.

In a way it isn't too far removed from the legal requirement here to hold a daily act of worship in schools (or something like that). It seems that plenty of schools largely ignore it, but I remember I wasn't allowed to skip it despite not being religious, whereas kids of non-xtian religions were. This was at a shitty CofE primary school so not entirely surprising.

 

[maomao]

In a way it isn't too far removed from the legal requirement here to hold a daily act of worship in schools (or something like that). It seems that plenty of schools largely ignore it, but I remember I wasn't allowed to skip it despite not being religious, whereas kids of non-xtian religions were. This was at a shitty CofE primary school so not entirely surprising.

I was given the option to skip it but I used to go for the singing and football reports and cause it beat sitting in the library with the jovos.

Difference in the US is that there aren't school assemblies. The principal talks to everyone through the PA system in the morning and the pledge is done in class.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

I was given the option to skip it but I used to go for the singing and football reports and cause it beat sitting in the library with the jovos.

Difference in the US is that there aren't school assemblies. The principal talks to everyone through the PA system in the morning and the pledge is done in class.

I can't imagine kids in the UK doing a pledge of alliegance - the teachers would be told to fuck off.

 

[Dogsauce]

I can't imagine kids in the UK doing a pledge of alliegance - the teachers would be told to fuck off.

I reckon a fair few teachers would be saying ‘fuck off’ to their superiors too.

 

[maomao]

I can't imagine kids in the UK doing a pledge of alliegance - the teachers would be told to fuck off.

Depends on the school. I'm off to work in an academy in UKIP country on Tuesday. I bet they'd do it there.

 

[gentlegreen]

I was given the option to skip it but I used to go for the singing and football reports and cause it beat sitting in the library with the jovos.

Difference in the US is that there aren't school assemblies. The principal talks to everyone through the PA system in the morning and the pledge is done in class.

Somehow in the 5th form in 1975 in my comprehensive I got away without turning up ... in those days I didn't even care about the religion, but the sports stuff meant absolutely nothing to me and I was sick of pretending to sing or say the LP ...
Thinking back, my Welsh Baptist form master was actually pretty easy-going considering ...

 

[teqniq]

and this from yesterday in Texas:



just and

 

[Ted Striker]

probably the oddest thing about the US.

No chance - giant gaps around toilet cubicle doors owns that contest

 

[JTG]

No chance - giant gaps around toilet cubicle doors owns that contest

They don't use kettles man

 

[Hollis]

I'm still 'worried' about Tuesday... Trump seems to be having a good final few days..

 

[a_chap]

I'm still 'worried' about Tuesday... Trump seems to be having a good final few days..

When you say "a good final few days"...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Looking at the final polls in 2016, they're really not so far off. Clinton won the popular vote by 2 points. The final polls, with sampling ending within a few days of the election, showed a relatively wide range, from Trump winning by 5 points to Clinton winning by 7. The majority of the polls were within the 3-5 point lead for Clinton range. So they were only a couple of points out in reality, and they were closing, indicating that the email stuff was taking an effect.

wiki list of polls here

I think the accepted truth that the pollsters were way out in 2016 is overstated. They were somewhat out. Guardian poll tracker average still gives Biden an 8.5 lead. And there is no last-minute equivalent of the 2016 emails. They really will need to be way out this time for Trump to have any hope.

The most striking pattern of the 2016 polls is that they overestimated how many people would vote for a third candidate. That's the bit they got most wrong. Every poll gave Trump a smaller share than he actually got, and all but one gave Clinton a smaller share. Every single one gave third candidates more votes than they actually got.

 

[teqniq]

fuck

 

[JTG]

Looking at the final polls in 2016, they're really not so far off. Clinton won the popular vote by 2 points. The final polls, with sampling ending within a few days of the election, showed a relatively wide range, from Trump winning by 5 points to Clinton winning by 7. The majority of the polls were within the 3-5 point lead for Clinton range. So they were only a couple of points out in reality, and they were closing, indicating that the email stuff was taking an effect.

wiki list of polls here

I think the accepted truth that the pollsters were way out in 2016 is overstated. They were somewhat out. Guardian poll tracker average still gives Biden an 8.5 lead. And there is no last-minute equivalent of the 2016 emails. They really will need to be way out this time for Trump to have any hope.

The most striking pattern of the 2016 polls is that they overestimated how many people would vote for a third candidate. That's the bit they got most wrong. Every poll gave Trump a smaller share than he actually got, and all but one gave Clinton a smaller share. Every single one gave third candidates more votes than they actually got.

Correct. Throughout the campaign there were a lot of undecided voters and these broke disproportionately to Trump in the last few days as people made their minds up in the light of the FBI investigation. Nevertheless, polling averages got her % almost spot on and underestimated his by a point or two. A two point Clinton win became an EC victory for Trump because he won by miniscule amounts in three states
Right now the polling gap is bigger, Biden leads in nearly every swing state, nothing has really changed for weeks/months and tens of millions of votes are already banked.

Goose: cooked

 

[JTG]

I'm still 'worried' about Tuesday... Trump seems to be having a good final few days..

How?

 

[Flavour]

He's not convincing anyone to vote for him that wasn't going to anyway

 

[krtek a houby]

from BBC

Biden event cancelled after pro-Trump convoy surrounds bus
The Biden campaign cancelled an event in Texas after it said a convoy of Trump supporters tried to stop a bus on a highway in the state.
Staff on the bus called 911 as cars flying Trump flags pulled in front and slowed down as the bus was travelling from San Antonio to Austin, the Biden campaign said.
Video of one pro-Trump vehicle appearing to strike another vehicle was posted on social media. Police later escorted the bus to its destination, according to the Washington Post newspaper.

 

[gentlegreen]

I would be massively nervous about being around anyone who voted for him THIS time ... it'll be interesting to see the number ...

 

[teqniq]

from BBC

Biden event cancelled after pro-Trump convoy surrounds bus
The Biden campaign cancelled an event in Texas after it said a convoy of Trump supporters tried to stop a bus on a highway in the state.
Staff on the bus called 911 as cars flying Trump flags pulled in front and slowed down as the bus was travelling from San Antonio to Austin, the Biden campaign said.
Video of one pro-Trump vehicle appearing to strike another vehicle was posted on social media. Police later escorted the bus to its destination, according to the Washington Post newspaper.

It's the vid i posted upthread. Apparently the police were called on to arrest the drivers but said it was 'beyond their jurisdiction'.

 

[petee]

Yep i do forget that all school children (all of them?) in america sing to the flag every morning don't they.

nope.

 

[maomao]

nope.

Are there any schools that don't do the pledge of alliegance?