8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think Biden and much of his team would want to draw a line under it, but they're not in control of all sources of action against Trump obv.
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I think Biden and much of his team would want to draw a line under it, but they're not in control of all sources of action against Trump obv.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
if believing in Q anon, covid deniel, etc are NOT a sign of stupidity, not sure what is?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
The Big Takeover (hardcrackers.com)
If the above is right about the apparent shift towards the far right becoming set up against the police, I suspect the funeral of the cop who died will be important.
If the above is right about the apparent shift towards the far right becoming set up against the police, I suspect the funeral of the cop who died will be important.
I'm starting to think you might be the thick one tbh
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
why - i don't mean trump saying it to them. but if the main narrative of the country changes to laughing instead of praising conspiracyloonacy, then things will change...
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Well, getting rid of the king of them all is not a start - no? He offered them no opposition. he was pulling the strings from the start.
gosub
~#
I think it'll be the Georgia call
mauvais
on reddit or something
Stuff like Onecoin or all the long term pump-and-dump no-hope share things where it's more than transactional scam - it has a social and belief element and people end up fully part of it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
If anyone wants more of that sort of analysis of the US far right - that looks at the development of anti-system far right - i recommend they have a look at Matthew N Lyon's (from Three Way Fight) book Insurgent Supremacists: The U.S. Far Right’s Challenge to State and Empire. It might surprise a lot of posters. Certainly would a lot of late arriving journalists. Lot of stuff on his site too.
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it's a good thing that trump will no longer be president in a couple of weeks, but to imagine that if we all got together and laughed at the far right movements that have grown up in his wake is - sorry - really fucking stupid.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
would a stern faced expression do then? What would happen to me if I started spouting Qanon stuff on here?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think this is a fair question. It's one I've pondered before when reading people calling Qanoners and similar people stupid cunts, fuckwits, etc. On one level, I think it's ok to have a go at people making wilfully stupid posts. God knows I was rude enough to Marty1. On another level, I think it's possible to engage in a different way, and I try to when talking on here to people about bitcoin, for instance. I doubt many of us are entirely consistent.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
There’s a thread going on right now with people trying to talk a long time poster out of the rabbit hole.
Someone just said “you’re obviously stupid if you believe/post that shit” but that’s lazy and simplistic, and doesn’t address the underlying problem (whatever it is) that has led to this conspiracy problem.
It’s not going away; it needs be understood .
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Why haven’t I seen a tiresome Downfall meme yet? 
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I still don't have good answers about any of it, really, in terms of helping people climb out of the rabbit hole. Biggest problem is the old cliche that they need to want to climb out of it, and that has to come from them.
tbh it's kind of weird for me seeing this stuff going so 'mainstream'.
SheilaNaGig
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BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
I'm sure it would be right and true to find the socio-economic structural reasons
take creationism - There is a rough consensus that this is a discredited and unhepful belief. Now can you imagine you had a world leader who supported, encouraged, and didn't opposes such a belief in creationism. That is exactly what trump has done with the far right lunacy. I am saying the narrative will change that he is gone. These people will have even less credibility than they already have. All things need to be understood on a structural level, but that applies to the top as well as to what is screwing people at the bottom. Trump was an evil puppet master. If the next set of Republicans start courting this shit, and courting it seriously, then yes, we are truly fucked.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's a big mistake to conflate gullibility (lack of critical thinking skills) and stupidity. The two are unrelated. And the IQ profile for people who get roped into cults, etc., tends to be higher than that of the general population.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
It is weird, for sure. And kind of in keeping with the whole (pseudo-)apocalyptic scene were all enduring right now.
We had a discussion on one of the hoax threads about whether it as worth making the effort, and how one might go about doing that. I talked about a sort of event horizon, past which all efforts are pointless, but up until that point I think it’s worth repeatedly throwing out a line for them to climb back up.
What that line is made of has to depend on the specifics in the situation (who, what, when where etc)
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Tbh it's not even lack of critical thinking skills. It's a suspension of those thinking skills in certain areas of thought, done subconsciously and for any number of underlying emotional motivational reasons, and combined with the human ability and propensity for confabulation. Certain things have to be true - you work backwards from there and the story you confabulate to make sense of it, however unlikely it may sound, also has to be true.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
Who is “these people”?
What narrative will change once he’s no longer in office? How? Where will it go?
What things need to be understood on a structural level?
What does that mean anyway?
You seem to be thinking about things as a cartoon or comic book.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
i guess we would have define stupidity? not walking infront of traffic? spreading dangerous beliefs about a disease they have read about on social media? We are all stupid to an extent, but I am not sure how to describe the belief, based on nothing, that Obama drinks children's blood other than...stupid? I understand that it's probably not helpful, but also to be called out on certain ways of thinking can be sometimes more helpful than being understood. Should we try and understand someone like Farage, or Nick Griffin?
bimble
floofy
Exactly, the beliefs might be irrational but the motivation behind aligning yourself with them isn’t, it’s not just an error or inability to use google.
And then, once you’re in there, you’d need something to motivate you to even attempt to get out, to venture even so far as to try to check a fact for instance.
Because why would you do that if there’s nothing to be gained by it and everything seemingly to be lost (your community, belonging, way of making sense of the world).
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Does this perhaps come back to what I said earlier? Better to call the beliefs stupid rather than the people.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
agreed.
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