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Cloo said:
I'm just wondering what is the best thing the Biden administration can do counter the threat of MAGA extremism/terrorism in the longer run.
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Many of these people have been losing ground economically, along with everyone else. The average life-span of white men has been declining (four months in the last three years). You have to provide people with hope for the future by raising wages, straightening out healthcare, and fixing other quality of life issues.

Life expectancy for American men drops for a third year - CBS News

The stats for this year are going to be even worse. Nearly every demographic is likely to see a major decline.
 
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Flavour said:
I'll be very very very surprised if pence invokes 25

Surely he'll just tell trump in private to shut the fuck up and lay low until the 20th
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If he were to, I hope will ensure to announce it when Trump is out of the White House, and changes the locks before orange buffoon gets back.
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
Many of these people have been losing ground economically, along with everyone else. The average life-span of white men has been declining. You have to provide people with hope for the future by raising wages, straightening out healthcare, and fixing other quality of life issues.
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Yeah, but that's socialism. :facepalm: It's individual's responsibility to keep their jobs and health insurance, not the government to help them stay alive and able to feed their families and cope with illness!
 
Ah, yes, I'm confusing myself. I remember it being reasonably close last time and thinking 'ooh, close thing', when in fact the dems only got close to a simple majority.
 
Cloo said:
Yeah, but that's socialism. :facepalm: It's individual's responsibility to keep their jobs and health insurance, not the government to help them stay alive and able to feed their families and cope with illness!
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Yes, their anger has been misdirected by people who profit from maintaining the status quo. You have to remember that in some parts of the US, Fox News is the only news source.
 
Pretty straight up commentary here, not beating around the bush like so many do.... Good points about the use of online media instead of local news and how data savvy 'spads' have helped Trump (et al) exploit that...

www.channel4.com

‘This has everything to do with race from top to bottom’ – Prof Timothy Snyder on Capitol siege

We spoke to Timothy Snyder, a professor of History at Yale University who has argued the way President Trump has behaved throughout his term has been heading towards tyranny.
www.channel4.com www.channel4.com
 
Rutita1 said:
Pretty straight up commentary here, not beating around the bush like so many do.... Good points about the use of online media instead of local news and how data savvy 'spads' have helped Trump (et al) exploit that...

www.channel4.com

‘This has everything to do with race from top to bottom’ – Prof Timothy Snyder on Capitol siege

We spoke to Timothy Snyder, a professor of History at Yale University who has argued the way President Trump has behaved throughout his term has been heading towards tyranny.
www.channel4.com www.channel4.com
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Yes.

One of the things that has not been properly understood is quite how furious and outraged many Americans were about Obama.

In discussion, and overheard outside conversations I was part of, the phrase that n- in the White House was not uncommon. As in “we don’t want... we never wanted... we need to get rid of...”


Trump, and everything that that has occurred since his nomination, happened against that backdrop.
 
Wilf said:
Ah, yes, I'm confusing myself. I remember it being reasonably close last time and thinking 'ooh, close thing', when in fact the dems only got close to a simple majority.
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Just found this by accident, which suggests there is a route to 'disqualify' rather than impeach, which requires only a simple majority. Seems a bit vague as to whether that can only be done after an impeachment, which would still put the 2/3 hurdle in place.Equally hazy about the option of carrying on proceedings after he's gone. Anyway, I don't see any of it happening.
We must impeach Trump and bar him from holding office again. Now | US Capitol breach | The Guardian
Seem to remember hearing yesterday there could be a vote of censure. That would be a simple majority (?) but, pretty pointless.
 
Wilf said:
Just found this by accident, which suggests there is a route to 'disqualify' rather than impeach, which requires only a simple majority. Seems a bit vague as to whether that can only be done after an impeachment, which would still put the 2/3 hurdle in place.Equally hazy about the option of carrying on proceedings after he's gone. Anyway, I don't see any of it happening.
We must impeach Trump and bar him from holding office again. Now | US Capitol breach | The Guardian
Seem to remember hearing yesterday there could be a vote of censure. That would be a simple majority (?) but, pretty pointless.
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Trump has already been impeached once, and it only needs a simple majority in the House of Representatives to impeach him again. This is different from conviction and removal from office, which needs a two thirds majority in the Senate.
 
Wilf said:
Just found this by accident, which suggests there is a route to 'disqualify' rather than impeach, which requires only a simple majority. Seems a bit vague as to whether that can only be done after an impeachment, which would still put the 2/3 hurdle in place.Equally hazy about the option of carrying on proceedings after he's gone. Anyway, I don't see any of it happening.
We must impeach Trump and bar him from holding office again. Now | US Capitol breach | The Guardian
Seem to remember hearing yesterday there could be a vote of censure. That would be a simple majority (?) but, pretty pointless.
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Seems rather pointless as he'll be out of office in two weeks. The only real power that trump still has is vested in his militant supporters, who are more likely to be inflamed rather than pacified by such an action.

As to banning him from holding office in future, what right should one group of politicians have to ban another from seeking office, even Presidential office?
 
tim said:
However, I couldn't imagine this succeeding at the Houses of Parliament. I'm sure that those at the head of any group trying this would be shot.
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Depends, if the Queen turned up in Trafalgar Square and told people to mob Parliament I think it would complicate matters. Still, if SHE said "we are going to march on Parliament you know she was meaning a group of people including her. Trump,well that was a bit Paul Mason
 
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tim said:
Seems rather pointless as he'll be out of office in two weeks. The only real power that trump still has is vested in his militant supporters, who are more likely to be inflamed rather than pacified by such an action.

As to banning him from holding office in future, what right should one group of politicians have to ban another from seeking office, even Presidential office?
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An impeachment, if successful in the Senate, can be a bar from seeking office. Impeachment means you abused the power of your office and you don't get to be elected again, if that's what the Senate decides. As to whether other politicians should have the right to impose such a sanction, well that's up to the constitution. The US constitution gives them that power but sets a high bar at 2/3 majority.

Seems sensible enough to have mechanisms in place to remove a corrupt president in extremis. How would you do it?

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States.
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Can an impeached president be re-elected?
 
gosub said:
Depends, if the Queen turned up in Trafalgar Square and told people to mob Parliament I think it would complicate matters.
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Yep, if tens of thousands of angry royalists tried to storm Parliament after the Queen gave an angry speech disputing the result of a referendum to abolish the monarchy, I don't think guards would machine-gun the mob. (files under possible video game ideas)
 
tim said:
Seems rather pointless as he'll be out of office in two weeks. The only real power that trump still has is vested in his militant supporters, who are more likely to be inflamed rather than pacified by such an action.

As to banning him from holding office in future, what right should one group of politicians have to ban another from seeking office, even Presidential office?
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Agree with you on all counts, I was just responding to reports that Pelosi in particular wants to have a go at it. I think the real issue when it comes to the balance in the senate (for anything like an impeachment conviction) is that the Dems didn't take the senate in the mid terms and have only just squeaked it now. Amid all the huffing and puffing about attacks on the constitution and the problems faced by the GOP dealing with trump's legacy, the Dems are still barely engaging with their lost voters and lost places.
 
Wilf said:
Agree with you on all counts, I was just responding to reports that Pelosi in particular wants to have a go at it. I think the real issue when it comes to the balance in the senate (for anything like an impeachment conviction) is that the Dems didn't take the senate in the mid terms and have only just squeaked it now. Amid all the huffing and puffing about attacks on the constitution and the problems faced by the GOP dealing with trump's legacy, the Dems are still barely engaging with their lost voters and lost places.
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The Dems have just taken control of all three bits of government - president, senate, house of reps - for the first time since 2009. And that with a system that is biased against them. They're not doing so badly.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
The Dems have just taken control of all three bits of government - president, senate, house of reps - for the first time since 2009. And that with a system that is biased against them. They're not doing so badly.
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This is one of the reasons people reckon it’s a swizz.

“This can’t happen, it’s so unusual, it must have been a coordinated hoax.”
 
littlebabyjesus said:
The Dems have just taken control of all three bits of government - president, senate, house of reps - for the first time since 2009. And that with a system that is biased against them. They're not doing so badly.
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Yeah, I know there's that logic and I've seen the figures on stuff like the greater number of voters represented by the Dems as opposed to the GOP 50. Same time, after 4 years of bizarre and offensive governance, along with trump's covid performance...
 
Wilf said:
Yeah, I know there's that logic and I've seen the figures on stuff like the greater number of voters represented by the Dems as opposed to the GOP 50. Same time, after 4 years of bizarre and offensive governance, along with trump's covid performance...
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Yeah I know. But it's the same here. Ten years of fucking tory cuts and they still keep getting back in.
 
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