US election 2020 thread

[Dogsauce]

Latest polls here.

Latest Polls Of The Georgia Senate Runoff Elections

Both are too close to call, basically. There will be virtually zero voters who don't know who they would vote for, so it's all about motivating and turning out your voters. I expect it to be as close as the presidential election was. My guess is that Warnock will win, but Ossoff probably won't.

polls tend to miss trump supporters, as we’ve seen recently. I don’t know if methedology has been changed to account for this?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

polls tend to miss trump supporters, as we’ve seen recently. I don’t know if methedology has been changed to account for this?

Yes, they do. Most likely in the full election they missed some Trumpers for two reasons: a) Spanish-speakers who couldn't be contacted because the polling companies don't employ enough native Spanish speakers (probably why they got Florida so wrong); and b) 'shy' Trumpers who responded 'don't know' or 'libertarian' when in reality they had already decided to vote for Trump.

a) isn't such a big factor in Georgia.

b) could be a factor, so we should probably assign most of the 'don't knows' to Trump.

So the fact the Dems are currently both running at 49% isn't so good. It means they're likely to get about 49%. But who manages to turn out their voters will be the key.

One thing, though. On the eve of the election, the polling average had Georgia going very narrowly to the Republicans, so the polling specifically for Georgia gave Trump too many votes. That's probably due to the organising vigour of those who got the democrat vote out. Hopefully they can pull it off again.

 

[Dogsauce]

We can hope! I’m naturaly a bit of a pessimist, and know how much the Republicans will be focusing on this race, and it’s not so much about how much money they spend as the lack of limits to their dishonesty and dirty tricks. Very much a ‘by all means necessary’ party.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If Trump had conceded defeat like normal presidents - say, on the Friday after the election - and then the GOP had thrown its weight behind the Georgia candidates with a clear message about how this is the way to limit Biden's power, I think the Reps would have won.

So that's my bit of optimism. The fact it's still very much a toss-up is itself a positive.

 

[bimble]

 

[two sheds]

Republicans defy Trump over stimulus checks

The president golfed despite White House claims he was working ‘tirelessly’

www.independent.co.uk

Democrats take lead in Georgia with Michelle Obama joining campaign

As infighting grips the Republican Party, Democrats have taken the lead in Georgia ,with former first lady Michelle Obama joining the campaign, writes Namita Singh.

Democrats’ lead attributed partly to infighting in Republican party

They're just messin' with us aren't they

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

higher turnout in the presidential seemed to favour Trump in some states, like he motivated the base very well. Ads like that will be doing the same in Georgia, I’m not optimistic. They’re well practiced in all kinds of dishonest social media shitfuckery. Not sure the democrats will have the same fire in their belly.

Also, Georgia is voter suppression central:

With Georgia’s pivotal Senate runoffs less than a month away, Republican officials are stepping up voter suppression tactics in the region with unprecedented speed. In Cobb County, the third most populous county in the state, less than half of early-voting locations are scheduled to be open for the January election; while there had previously been 11 locations for the county’s more than 537,000 voters, now there will only be five. “We lost several of our advance voting managers and assistant managers due to the holidays, the workload and the pandemic,” Janine Eveler, the Cobb County director of elections, wrote in a letter to the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund and several other advocacy groups that voiced outrage. “The remaining team members who agreed to work would do so only if the hours were less onerous.”

As the New York Times reported, Cobb County has historically leaned blue, with president-elect Joe Biden “winning it by 14 percentage points.” Among Democrats, there’s suspicion that Georgia officials’ verdicts in the weeks before the runoff might not be entirely aboveboard. (Georgia’s election apparatus is controlled by Republicans.) “There is the stated reason that we’ve been given…but then there’s also the perceived action of having 10 polling locations open to early voting in an area that didn’t fare well for the current majority parity,” Erick Allen, a Democratic state representative, told the Times. “The perception is that there is a fear that doing the same thing would have the same result or contribute to the same result that would be unfavorable to the majority party.”

As noted by the Times, “Some of the locations being closed, such as the Smyrna Community Center in Smyrna, are in neighborhoods with large Black populations,” in keeping with efforts from both Republicans and Donald Trump to target Black voters and undermine their rights. The NAACP and Fair Fight Action, led by Stacey Abrams, reportedly offered to help with staff recruitment to limit location closures, but according to the Times, Eveler said there’s not enough time before the election to train new volunteers. In addition to limiting early-voting locations in Democratic-leaning areas, reports have also emerged that GOP Senate members are pushing to tamp down on absentee voting and implement photo ID requirements. In an election that saw Biden receive a large percentage of absentee votes, these moves too have raised eyebrows.

Georgia Republicans Are Going All-In on Voter Suppression | Vanity Fair

 

[quiet guy]

All pretence at subtle has gone out the window.

 

[petee]

 

[bimble]

merry xmas everyone

 

[agricola]

Someone has set off a big bomb in Nashville:

Large 'bomb' blast wrecks buildings in downtown Nashville

Three suffer non-critical injuries as structural damage reported from explosion linked to parked RV occurred after warning call on Christmas Day

www.theguardian.com

(sorry for putting it in the politics thread, but given what they've been chatting about for the past month it seems an appropriate place)

 

[moochedit]

Why would Nashville be targeted? Anyone claimed responsibility yet?

 

[agricola]

Why would Nashville be targeted? Anyone claimed responsibility yet?

No idea, and not yet. Apparently (according to CNN) there were calls before it reporting shots fired in the area, cops turned up and saw the vehicle concerned looked suspicious and called the bomb squad in. It went off before they got to deal with it.

 

[two sheds]

Tennessee paper religious ad claims 'Islam' will detonate nuclear bomb in Nashville

Editor of the Tennessean calls full-page advertisement ‘horrific’ and says newspaper is investigating ‘breakdown in the normal process’

www.theguardian.com

Not that this says anything.

Council on Islamic-American Relations spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said in a statement that while the group appreciates that the “Islamophobic” ad was pulled and an investigation has begun, “we would urge the Tennessean to also implement updated policies and staff training to ensure that this type of hate incident does not occur in the future. CAIR is willing to offer that training.”

It was not immediately known how much Future for America paid for the ads.

According to its website, the group’s ministry warns of so-called end-of-the-world Bible prophecies whose fulfillment “is no longer future_for it is taking place before our eyes”.

A telephone message left with Bonnerdale, Arkansas-based Future for America wasn’t immediately returned.

I hope they get the fuckers who did it

 

[spring-peeper]

Tennessee paper religious ad claims 'Islam' will detonate nuclear bomb in Nashville

Editor of the Tennessean calls full-page advertisement ‘horrific’ and says newspaper is investigating ‘breakdown in the normal process’

www.theguardian.com

Not that this says anything.



I hope they get the fuckers who did it

Top of your link, it says the article is six month's old.

 

[two sheds]

Aha I'd ignore that then.

 

[teqniq]

They'll be claiming it was a prophecy next.

 

[two sheds]

Well clearly prescient

 

[petee]

it isn't ending yet

Wisconsin Supreme Court Chief Justice Patience Roggensack issued a rare Christmas Day statement decrying concerning comments throttled toward at the judiciary, including “threats of actual or proposed violence.” The statement comes on the heels of a narrow 4 to 3 decision earlier this month which shot down election litigation launched by President Donald Trump. Though Roggensack was part of the dissent (and, therefore, ruled in favor of Trump), she was apparently not interested in standing idly by as her fellow justices were menaced for ruling against the president.

Chief Justice Decries ‘Threats of Actual or Proposed Violence’ After Wisconsin Supreme Court Rules Against Trump

Wisconsin Supreme Court Chief Justice Patience Roggensack issued a rare Christmas Day statement decrying concerning comments throttled toward at the judiciary, including "threats of actual or proposed violence."

lawandcrime.com

 

[spring-peeper]

Dominion has threatened to sue anyone claiming their voting system interferred with the election.
Several news site, CNN and Newsmax, issued on air retractions concerning the system.

Apparently, Lin Wood doesn't care.

This was his tweet on Christmas Day:





Source -> A pro-Trump lawyer called for Republican candidates David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler to be arrested as Georgia's runoff Senate race heats up

• L. Lin Wood, a conservative attorney and staunch Trump ally, seemed to suggest on Friday that Georgia's Republican Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler should be arrested ahead of the state's critical runoff race
• In a tweet on Friday, Wood also urged Republicans to "break" the election in the state by refusing to vote, attaching a plan which repeats debunked allegations of voter fraud.
• "Real conservative senators can then be appointed, after Kemp, Perdue, and Loeffler's arrest," the diagram states.
• Wood has previously made calls to boycott the runoff election in Georgia alongside conspiracy-theorist lawyer Sidney Powell.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

More of this, please. The loons urging a boycott only has to work on a couple of percent of voters to fuck the Republicans in both races.

 

[Sprocket.]

If you tell yourself rubbish often enough times you begin to believe it. It’s what religion relies on.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Apparently, Lin Wood doesn't care.

This was his tweet on Christmas Day:

 

[The39thStep]

I had the fortune to bump in into Colin the Conspiracy theorist earlier this afternoon who explained from sources, that can’t be named, that January 6th is the big day when Trump gets back in the White House . Despite the deep state the Supreme Court will rule out the false ballots , Trump will be back and arrests and executions will follow. He may have had one or two beers when I met him

 

[gosub]

tbf If the Republicans did get a negative vote count next month, I would be sympathetic to the idea of ballot fraud. If they don't get a negative vote count will they then stfu.

 

[belboid]

I had the fortune to bump in into Colin the Conspiracy theorist earlier this afternoon who explained from sources, that can’t be named, that January 6th is the big day when Trump gets back in the White House . Despite the deep state the Supreme Court will rule out the false ballots , Trump will be back and arrests and executions will follow. He may have had one or two beers when I met him

Jan 6 is when Congress formally tallies and accepts the electoral college vote. Technically Congress and/or pence could refuse to do so. But they won’t.

 

[Sue]

Jan 6 is when Congress formally tallies and accepts the electoral college vote. Technically Congress and/or pence could refuse to do so. But they won’t.

Well Colin reckons they will and he obviously has the inside scoop so...

 

[cupid_stunt]

I had the fortune to bump in into Colin the Conspiracy theorist earlier this afternoon who explained from sources, that can’t be named, that January 6th is the big day when Trump gets back in the White House . Despite the deep state the Supreme Court will rule out the false ballots , Trump will be back and arrests and executions will follow. He may have had one or two beers when I met him

I didn't know that his real name was Colin, and that you knew Marty1 in real life.

 

[The39thStep]

Well Colin reckons they will and he obviously has the inside scoop so...

I'm in a privileged position, apparently his partner doesn't listen to him about politics

 

[teqniq]

I wonder why?