US election 2020 thread

[mx wcfc]

I don’t know that I can name them. And I admit that it’s not something I’ve read somewhere but rather something I’ve deducted from various sources, including conversations.


Things are tricky in rural areas for sure. This is from two years ago, I didn’t find anything more recent but my understanding is that things are are certainly not getting better.

Violent Crime in Rural Areas Rises Above U.S. Average - The Crime Report

Large metropolitan areas are safer than they have been in decades, while some small communities are getting more dangerous. In at least 10 states, most in the Midwest and Northeast, the rate of violence in rural counties has increased over two decades, the Wall Street Journal reports.

thecrimereport.org

People have spoken to me about some really nasty shit that goes on “over yonder” or in the next county etc and when I say normal stuff about how can this happen, what about the police they laugh at me.

So yeah, I shouldn’t have said it as if it's fact. But from what I read and hear, it see,s to me that there are parts of rural America that pretty much gets left alone.

Wish I could find where I read it, but I saw a sensibly written article talking about how the split in America was very much between the cities and the rural areas.

That's not dissimilar to the UK, tbf, and we may see that split widening here. Many people down here (Hampshire) have no affinity at all with London (despite working there!) and the big northern cities, or even the likes of Reading/Slough/Brighton/Bristol.

 

[krtek a houby]

And Barr is out.

Attorney General William Barr resigns

 

[gosub]

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[spring-peeper]

maybe this should be in the "fall out from the election", but I could not find it.

READ: Rep. Paul Mitchell's letter quitting the GOP, fearing 'long-term harm to our democracy' with its support for Trump's actions

Michigan Republican Rep. Paul Mitchell told CNN that his disgust and disappointment with President Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the results of the election have led him to request that the clerk of the House change his party affiliation to "independent." Read his letter to Republican...

www.cnn.com

 

[Yossarian]

It says a lot about Trump's grip on the party that the only House member willing to take this much of a stand is someone 2 weeks from retirement.

 

[Yossarian]

Trump less than three weeks ago: "Of course I'll leave if I lose the Electoral College vote."

Trump after losing the Electoral College vote: "I WON THE ELECTION AND MY NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL IS GOING TO PROVE COMMUNISTS STOLE MY VICTORY."

 

[bimble]

Here we have the great duo of Sidney Powell & Lin Wood apparently in full agreement that
1) it is ridiculous that anyone thinks trump would attempt a military coup and also at the same time
2) trump needs to declare martial law now in order to stay in power.
How their followers are supposed to make sense of this idk.

 

[bimble]

Brilliant, here is the Arizona republican party with their pretend Electors, the ones who are going to pretend that trump won Arizona. Its a perfect enactment of the endpoint of where we have got to with the entirely separate realities that are available for people to choose from.

 

[rubbershoes]

Brilliant, here is the Arizona republican party with their pretend Electors, the ones who are going to pretend that trump won Arizona. Its a perfect enactment of the endpoint of where we have got to with the entirely separate realities that are available for people to choose from.

Not loving the baseball cap and suit combo

 

[fucthest8]

Not loving the baseball cap and suit combo

Come on, it says "I take this responsibility seriously enough to wear a suit, but I am just like you, so wear baseball caps". Also, cheery thumbs up. Good work

 

[fucthest8]

You know, for someone who is basically doing something delusional.

 

[Yossarian]

Not loving the baseball cap and suit combo

The white trainers really pull the whole ensemble together. No masks on any of them either, I guess they think the pandemic is as fake as the election.

 

[bimble]

This could potentially be a real driver for the Sovereign Citizen movement . More people joining, increased sense of legitimacy, greater determination to act on their beliefs.
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Looks like you were spot on with that. I suppose thats what this bit means in the coverage of Arizona's pretend Electors?

Fake electors try to deliver Arizona's 11 votes for Trump

In another sign of the lingering unrest over President Donald Trump's election loss, an Arizona group sent the National Archives in Washington, D.C., notarized documents last week intended to deliver, wrongly, the state's 11 electoral votes for him.

eu.azcentral.com

 

[killer b]

I don’t know that I can name them. And I admit that it’s not something I’ve read somewhere but rather something I’ve deduced from various sources, including conversations.


Things are tricky in rural areas for sure. This is from two years ago, I didn’t find anything more recent but my understanding is that things are are certainly not getting better.

Violent Crime in Rural Areas Rises Above U.S. Average - The Crime Report

Large metropolitan areas are safer than they have been in decades, while some small communities are getting more dangerous. In at least 10 states, most in the Midwest and Northeast, the rate of violence in rural counties has increased over two decades, the Wall Street Journal reports.

thecrimereport.org

People have spoken to me about some really nasty shit that goes on “over yonder” or in the next county etc and when I say normal stuff about how can this happen, what about the police they laugh at me.

So yeah, I shouldn’t have said it as if it's fact. But from what I read and hear, it seems to me that there are parts of rural America that pretty much gets left alone.

What's described here isn't 'no go zones', but poorly policed zones. These are not the same thing - No Go Zones suggest the authorities being forced out by nasty fuckers, not decades of the state being gradually withdrawn. If this problem gets worse under Biden, it'll be because of further withdrawal of the state isn't it?

 

[bimble]

nothing to do with the electoral college but i just learnt that this is one of the popular proud boy / white nationalist abbreviations that they use to signal to friends on the internet, what this man has on his tshirt: 6MWE, six million wasn't enough. I don't think anyone should be confused about whether these people are harmless nutters or nazis.

 

[hitmouse]

Wish I could find where I read it, but I saw a sensibly written article talking about how the split in America was very much between the cities and the rural areas.

That's not dissimilar to the UK, tbf, and we may see that split widening here. Many people down here (Hampshire) have no affinity at all with London (despite working there!) and the big northern cities, or even the likes of Reading/Slough/Brighton/Bristol.

For anyone interested in this stuff, I would very strongly recommend reading Hinterland by Phil Neel, excellent book.

It says a lot about Trump's grip on the party that the only House member willing to take this much of a stand is someone 2 weeks from retirement.

Yeah, obviously I don't particularly feel sorry for them, but you wouldn't want to be a Republican politician facing re-election, it can't be an easy job trying to win over moderate floating voters while simultaneously needing to appease the sizeable portion of your base who believes that Trump is the rightfully elected God-Emperor being supressed by the satanic Biden-Clinton paedo conspiracy.

nothing to do with the electoral college but i just learnt that this is one of the popular proud boy / white nationalist abbreviations that they use to signal to friends on the internet, what this man has on his tshirt: 6MWE, six million wasn't enough. I don't think anyone should be confused about whether these people are harmless nutters or nazis.

Fucking hell, I'd encountered RWDS before, but that one's new on me.

 

[MickiQ]

Trump less than three weeks ago: "Of course I'll leave if I lose the Electoral College vote."

Trump after losing the Electoral College vote: "I WON THE ELECTION AND MY NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL IS GOING TO PROVE COMMUNISTS STOLE MY VICTORY."


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Communists?, I thought it was a conspiracy involving the Democrats, the Biden Crime Family, the Republican Governor of Georgia, Dominion Voting Systems, the Supreme Court, Big Tech, the Fake Media and zombie Hugo Chavez?
Or have there been further developments I have missed?

 

[rubbershoes]

nothing to do with the electoral college but i just learnt that this is one of the popular proud boy / white nationalist abbreviations that they use to signal to friends on the internet, what this man has on his tshirt: 6MWE, six million wasn't enough. I don't think anyone should be confused about whether these people are harmless nutters or nazis.
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I'm confused about this aspect of the American right. That guy's grandfather may well have come to Europe in WW2 and been in an actual war against Nazis. The US holds its military in high regard and there's never been any doubt that WW2 was a necessary war, unlike many since .

How do you go from your grandfather shooting at Nazis in 1944 to you supporting Nazi aims 75 years later?

I get that people have different views and some are right wing. But supporting Nazism? It seems a long way to travel in two generations

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I'm confused about this aspect of the American right. That guy's grandfather may well have come to Europe in WW2 and been in an actual war against Nazis. The US holds its military in high regard and there's never been any doubt that WW2 was a necessary war, unlike many since .

How do you go from your grandfather shooting at Nazis in 1944 to you supporting Nazi aims 75 years later?

I get that people have different views and some are right wing. But supporting Nazism? It seems a long way to travel in two generations

On the other hand though, his Grandad might have been in the KKK or hanging out at Nazi rallies with Donald Trump's dad.

 

[a_chap]

Brilliant, here is the Arizona republican party with their pretend Electors, the ones who are going to pretend that trump won Arizona. Its a perfect enactment of the endpoint of where we have got to with the entirely separate realities that are available for people to choose from.

Forgive me for being a bit controversial here but...

...they're all extremely, er, white aren't they.

 

[bimble]

Forgive me for being a bit controversial here but...

...they're all extremely, er, white aren't they.

That’s because they’re the Real Americans, the ones whose votes count.
That one bloke on the left who failed to wear a red trumpy tie let everyone down tho.

 

[brogdale]

That’s because they’re the Real Americans, the ones whose votes count.
That one bloke on the left who failed to wear a red trumpy tie let everyone down tho.

One Lady had to forego using a seat; how did she manage?

 

[MickiQ]

Brilliant, here is the Arizona republican party with their pretend Electors, the ones who are going to pretend that trump won Arizona. Its a perfect enactment of the endpoint of where we have got to with the entirely separate realities that are available for people to choose from.

As I understand the US system (happy to be corrected) pre the Election each party provides a list of would-be electors and whichever side wins gets its electors picked. They are usually very prominent citizens apparently one of the NY ones is Bill Clinton.
Does anyone know if these fake Arizona Electors actually the same people who would have been the Republican Party electors or just 11 random Trumpaloons making idiots of themselves?

 

[Sprocket.]

Putin acknowledges Biden’s victory following Electoral College’s results.

Russian leader Vladimir Putin congratulates Joe Biden on winning election

Russia's Vladimir Putin was one of the last world leaders who had not acknowledged Joe Biden's victory. President Donald Trump has still not conceded.

www.usatoday.com

Fortunately there isn’t a dog in the White House for Trump to kick.

 

[Yossarian]

Putin acknowledges Biden’s victory following Electoral College’s results.

Russian leader Vladimir Putin congratulates Joe Biden on winning election

Russia's Vladimir Putin was one of the last world leaders who had not acknowledged Joe Biden's victory. President Donald Trump has still not conceded.

www.usatoday.com

Fortunately there isn’t a dog in the White House for Trump to kick.

That one's going to sting.

 

[maomao]

How do you go from your grandfather shooting at Nazis in 1944 to you supporting Nazi aims 75 years later?

I get that people have different views and some are right wing. But supporting Nazism? It seems a long way to travel in two generations

Maybe his great grandparents were fighting the Japanese. Or maybe they were German Americans who went and fought for the Nazis. Or more likely he just doesn't see it as relevant to his politics today.

 

[Dom Traynor]

My great grandfather fought against the British in Ireland, my grandfather fought for the British in World War 2. My brother wears a poppy, my cousin wears an Easter Rising badge. I don't think any of us feel particularly ashamed of or proudly connected to our grandparents or great grandparents.n

 

[SheilaNaGig]

What's described here isn't 'no go zones', but poorly policed zones. These are not the same thing - No Go Zones suggest the authorities being forced out by nasty fuckers, not decades of the state being gradually withdrawn. If this problem gets worse under Biden, it'll be because of further withdrawal of the state isn't it?

Yes. You’re quite right.

I didn’t post that link to support “no go zones” I posted it to illustrate what I said immediately above it: that things are tricky in rural areas.

And as I said, I shouldn’t have said no go zones as a fact when it’s a deduction based what I’ve picked up from conversations and from things I’ve read and listened to.

 

[hitmouse]

Have we had anything about the newly elected New Hampshire Republican posting Daily Stormer stuff yet?
Laconia State Rep Apologizes for Neo-Nazi Post

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Putin acknowledges Biden’s victory following Electoral College’s results.

Russian leader Vladimir Putin congratulates Joe Biden on winning election

Russia's Vladimir Putin was one of the last world leaders who had not acknowledged Joe Biden's victory. President Donald Trump has still not conceded.

www.usatoday.com

Fortunately there isn’t a dog in the White House for Trump to kick.

I'm pretty sure he's given his wife a good kicking or two. I can't say that I'm a fan of Melania's, but I will admit that whatever money she walks away with, she will have earned.