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Yes. You’re quite right.

I didn’t post that link to support “no go zones” I posted it to illustrate what I said immediately above it: that things are tricky in rural areas.

And as I said, I shouldn’t have said no go zones as a fact when it’s a deduction based what I’ve picked up from conversations and from things I’ve read and listened to.

In rural areas, I wouldn't really call them "no go zones." There are places where the law enforcement is so sparse that there's no meaningful law enforcement. (That doesn't mean its a dangerous place to go.) My home county takes an hour and half to drive across, yet their law enforcement consists of the Sherriff, a deputy, and the sheriff's wife who takes care of the jail, and womans the radio. There isn't any way that level of staffing is able to do effective law enforcement over that large a territory. There's also the factor that sometimes wealth is pretty concentrated. Just few people might have the power to effectively fire the Sherriff so you end up with a list of people the Sherriff won't touch. There's been a number of cases of serial thefts that went unsolved. When the state patrol got involved and caught the person, it was always the kid of someone on that unofficial list (once, it was the Sherriff's kid). There are a lot of people with no visible means of support who always seem to have money. A lot of the time, they're running a grow operation, or cooking meth. (Puppy mills are also popular, although that's legal.) Had a neighbor who was cooking meth, after failing at running a dog racing operation. There are also places where the addresses are non-existent, although the Post Office is trying to assign addresses in those areas so they can be mapped out. Couple that with a culture of silence and mistrust of authority and it can be pretty difficult to find someone. So if you need a place to hide, one of these rural areas that are still without addresses might work.
 
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In rural areas, I wouldn't really call them "no go zones." There are places where the law enforcement is so sparse that there's no meaningful law enforcement. (That doesn't mean its a dangerous place to go.) My home county takes an hour and half to drive across, yet their law enforcement consists of the Sherriff, a deputy, and the sheriff's wife who takes care of the jail, and womans the radio. There isn't any way that level of staffing is able to do effective law enforcement over that large a territory. There's also the factor that sometimes wealth is pretty concentrated. Just few people might have the power to effectively fire the Sherriff so you end up with a list of people the Sherriff won't touch. There's been a number of cases of serial thefts that went unsolved. When the state patrol got involved and caught the person, it was always the kid of someone on that unofficial list (once, it was the Sherriff's kid). There are a lot of people with no visible means of support who always seem to have money. A lot of the time, they're running a grow operation, or cooking meth. (Puppy mills are also popular, although that's legal.) Had a neighbor who was cooking meth, after failing at running a dog racing operation. There are also places where the addresses are non-existent, although the Post Office is trying to assign addresses in those areas so they can be mapped out. Couple that with a culture of silence and mistrust of authority and it can be pretty difficult to find someone. So if you need a place to hide, one of these rural areas that are still without addresses might work.


Yes, all of this.

I should not have used the term “no go zone” because it means something very specific and particular.

But as Yuwipi Woman says, it’s pretty clear - to me at least, based on reading stuff, listening to things like that It Could Happen Here podcast and reading around it, talking with people in SC, common sense, and simple deduction - that with increasing levels of crime in rural America, a crisis in rural policing, the meth and opioid crises, extreme poverty, corruption throughout the justices system and the huge wide open spaces and deep forests etc, it is highly likely that there will be some places where the cops just decide they won’t go.

(I won’t given details but I will say that a cousin said to me “Oh honey, the police don’t go up in there, the police don’t go up that road!” This was an immediate and direct repy when I expressed surprise that a serious crime had not been dealt with by the police. And this isn’t even in the wide open spaces, just.... off the beaten track, in the middle of a very run down part of the state, with high crime rates.)

So yeah. No source, and I cant say it’s a fact.

The point I was making in the first place was that against this backdrop together with the surge in openly racist and far right ideology, increased gun ownership, and now the election fiasco, things could get very messy.

it seems really obvious to me, I can’t be the only one seeing this.

It seems possible, even likely, that there will be an increased number of Americans who believe (or claim to believe) that the Biden government is illegitimate. If they were previously on the fence about the government being illegitimate, this could well put them firmly down on that side, and for good.

And if I’m right about this idea that there are parts of the country where the police tend not to go - because they’re broadly in agreement with the ideology, or becasue they don’t have the manpower, or because they’re corrupt, or whatever ,- then such groups will burgeon, in numbers and in confidence. They already exist, this isn’t coming out of nowhere.

This doesn’t seem far fetched to me any more. As recently as a year ago I wouldn’t have thought this . It’s the events of the last month or two that has led me to this concern.
 
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Here is the republican state senator for Virginia, saying how she too wants donald trump to declare martial law. Because that will somehow make him be the winner.
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She seems to be another proudly elected Qanon representative, there's quite a few of them now.
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Standing to be governor of Virginia next year.:thumbs::(
 
Let's blame Canada


 
The fucking President is still boosting Lin, the absolutely delusional Q-spouting maniac. He liked this one particularly, fantasies of locking up your enemies being a perennial favourite.
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A reminder that this dangerous Communist called Brian Kemp in Georgia, the man being held responsible by Trump and his supporters for losing them the election (in GA at least), and being threatened with jail by Lin Wood, is the same Brian Kemp who between 2012 and 2018 cancelled 1.4 million voter registrations on behalf of the Republican Party voter suppression policy.
 
But as Yuwipi Woman says, it’s pretty clear - to me at least, based on reading stuff, listening to things like that It Could Happen Here podcast and reading around it, talking with people in SC, common sense, and simple deduction - that with increasing levels of crime in rural America, a crisis in rural policing, the meth and opioid crises, extreme poverty, corruption throughout the justices system and the huge wide open spaces and deep forests etc, it is highly likely that there will be some places where the cops just decide they won’t go.

(I won’t given details but I will say that a cousin said to me “Oh honey, the police don’t go up in there, the police don’t go up that road!” This was an immediate and direct repy when I expressed surprise that a serious crime had not been dealt with by the police. And this isn’t even in the wide open spaces, just.... off the beaten track, in the middle of a very run down part of the state, with high crime rates.)

So yeah. No source, and I cant say it’s a fact.

The point I was making in the first place was that against this backdrop together with the surge in openly racist and far right ideology, increased gun ownership, and now the election fiasco, things could get very messy.

it seems really obvious to me, I can’t be the only one seeing this.
On this, I dug out my copy of Hinterland and had a look through the footnotes, and found this story about Josephine County, Oregon, from 2016, which is pretty grim but seems relevant:

...a woman called 911 around 5 a.m. to report that her ex-boyfriend was trying to break into her house. Because no deputies were on duty, her call was rerouted to the Oregon State Police, who told her that no one was available to respond.

“Uh, I don’t have anybody to send out there,” the dispatcher said on the recorded call. “You know, obviously, if he comes inside the residence and assaults you, can you ask him to go away?”

... Following the incident, Gil Gilbertson, Josephine’s sheriff at the time, issued a press release advising domestic abuse victims to “consider relocating to an area with adequate law enforcement services.”
 
On this, I dug out my copy of Hinterland and had a look through the footnotes, and found this story about Josephine County, Oregon, from 2016, which is pretty grim but seems relevant:


Thanks for doing that hitmouse


And it prompted me to locate this clip in the Robert Evans podcast.

Listen at 24’10” - 25’50”


It’s about scanty policing in rural northern California, which is where the “free state” of Jefferson Is located.
 
Most likely with an eye on the possibility of losing the senate election in Georgia, time for a little unity in the ranks.
 
In rural areas, I wouldn't really call them "no go zones." There are places where the law enforcement is so sparse that there's no meaningful law enforcement. (That doesn't mean its a dangerous place to go.) My home county takes an hour and half to drive across, yet their law enforcement consists of the Sherriff, a deputy, and the sheriff's wife who takes care of the jail, and womans the radio. There isn't any way that level of staffing is able to do effective law enforcement over that large a territory. There's also the factor that sometimes wealth is pretty concentrated. Just few people might have the power to effectively fire the Sherriff so you end up with a list of people the Sherriff won't touch. There's been a number of cases of serial thefts that went unsolved. When the state patrol got involved and caught the person, it was always the kid of someone on that unofficial list (once, it was the Sherriff's kid). There are a lot of people with no visible means of support who always seem to have money. A lot of the time, they're running a grow operation, or cooking meth. (Puppy mills are also popular, although that's legal.) Had a neighbor who was cooking meth, after failing at running a dog racing operation. There are also places where the addresses are non-existent, although the Post Office is trying to assign addresses in those areas so they can be mapped out. Couple that with a culture of silence and mistrust of authority and it can be pretty difficult to find someone. So if you need a place to hide, one of these rural areas that are still without addresses might work.

There's two really great episodes of the Behind The Bastards podcast with Robert Evans about Stephen Segal which illustrates the reality of how the rural areas operate. For the benefit of non Americans.
 
Most likely with an eye on the possibility of losing the senate election in Georgia, time for a little unity in the ranks.

However half-sensible McConnell tries to be -- for tactical reasons -- he can't control Trump's lunacy, or even less, the conspiraloonery of lots of Trump's followers ......

I reckon the Dems could well win both Georgia Senate seats.
 
However half-sensible McConnell tries to be -- for tactical reasons -- he can't control Trump's lunacy, or even less, the conspiraloonery of lots of Trump's followers ......

I reckon the Dems could well win both Georgia Senate seats.
I (partially) watched the TV debates between the candidates for the runoff, The Ossoff v Perdue was brilliant since Perdue didn't show up and Ossoff debated with an empty chair, he did heroicaly but he was struggling to keep his face straight.
Loeffler vs Warnock was more telling, Loeffler didn't debate, She just kept banging on about how Warnock was an evil socialist who was going to steal Georgians guns and healthcare. She was smart enough not to play the race card and point out that he's black, so there has been at least a bit of progress in Georgia.
 
Mitch McConnell (of all people) has apparently been outed as one of the conspirators against Emperor Donald the First.
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After everything that odious tortoise-faced twat has done to harm americans on both sides of the divide, this is where the psycho right draws the line? Him accepting reality? Hopefully there aren't significant numbers of these morons and that they aren't sufficiently organised otherwise that country is completely fucked.
 
After everything that odious tortoise-faced twat has done to harm americans on both sides of the divide, this is where the psycho right draws the line? Him accepting reality? Hopefully there aren't significant numbers of these morons and that they aren't sufficiently organised otherwise that country is completely fucked.

there is actually a significant number of morons who are going after him and his chinese wife, a fact they've only just noticed, since tying people to the CCP (esp. the bidens) is the conspiracy du jour.

it's not just parler, but:

 
Absolute madness. Retired police man pulls gun on a van driver because he reckons there are thousands of communist fraud ballots in the van, ok not all that surprising, but he was PAID a quarter of a million dollars (!) to ‘investigate’ this lead by some weird group.

 
Absolute madness. Retired police man pulls gun on a van driver because he reckons there are thousands of communist fraud ballots in the van, ok not all that surprising, but he was PAID a quarter of a million dollars (!) to ‘investigate’ this lead by some weird group.

At least hes got some money to pay for a lawyer.
 
Absolute madness. Retired police man pulls gun on a van driver because he reckons there are thousands of communist fraud ballots in the van, ok not all that surprising, but he was PAID a quarter of a million dollars (!) to ‘investigate’ this lead by some weird group.

Wow that's a whole new level of crazy there, did he think the driver was Zombie Hugo Chavez? or did he just have a down on air-conditioner repairmen for some reason?
 
Despite betting money on President Donald Trump’s re-election, Helen was unfazed when Joe Biden was declared the victor.

She watched press conferences by Trump surrogates who claimed the election was a fraud. She watched a pro-Trump web show that alleged the same. Then, using the online gambling service Betfair, she wagered even more money on a Trump victory after Election Day.

“To be honest, the more likely it looked like fraud, the more I bet,” Helen, an Amsterdam-based British woman who declined to give her last name, told The Daily Beast.

Had Trump won re-election, Helen would have won nearly €2.7 million euros, according to screenshots of her Betfair account. But Betfair and other gambling sites closed the books on their 2020 presidential betting on Monday, after the Electoral College certified Biden’s victory. Now Helen, who says she’s lost approximately €140,000 and believes the election results will be overturned, is joining other bettors in accusing gambling sites of wrongly calling the election for Biden.


 
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