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Of course not, and if the police didn't handle it - which they haven't done in the US - then I'd be grateful for antifa resisting them.

You don't think that - ideally - the police should be taking them off the streets though?
 
Bad apples eh? You not familiar with the idea that its actually institionalised, structural racism? The cops are doing their job- and that job is keeping black people, keeping poor people in their place.

Yes I'm aware of that and I'd like to see them defunded and the money used elsewhere. In the meantime don't try to weed the racist murderers out then, so same as happens now.

I idly asked whether we thought would it would be worth in January seeing whether Biden would crack down on the far-right trumpists and fascists since it would seem to be in his interests. If he doesn't then antifa will clearly be needed back on the streets. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition :confused:

We clearly don't think it would be worth it. I don't have a problem with that. We'll see what happens in January.
 
I was being sarcastic and hopefully trying to agree with you. Though satire and humour were important weapons against the nazis at times I can't find any examples of contemporary people saying 'just let them get on with it and they'll make idiots of themselves'.
Yep. having thought about this a bit more, maybe nobody actually found the brownshirted men comical back then, but at the same time things might have unfolded differently if the majority of ordinary people had looked at them and felt seriously alarmed, instead of focussing their fears on the"counterprotestors" of the time, the KPD etc, who didn't have nice little uniforms and tidy haircuts.

eta just saw this, the don't be silly answers she gets are (imo) not very convincing.
 
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Oops, it's 7pm Eastern US time - UK is 5 hours ahead, not behind, so around midnight UK time.

Biden should clinch it when the California electors vote around 5pm Eastern, unless Trump has bombed Sacramento by then.

He probably has considered mobilising the National Guard to help him win somehow. Maybe arresting all the traitors at the electoral colleges in the states that have made the wrong decision
 
Yep. having thought about this a bit more, maybe nobody actually found the brownshirted men comical back then, but at the same time things might have unfolded differently if the majority of ordinary people had looked at them and felt seriously alarmed, instead of focussing their fears on the"counterprotestors" of the time, the KPD etc, who didn't have nice little uniforms and tidy haircuts.
The KPD's RFB had uniforms, as did the SPD's front. Dunno about haircuts but Thalmann was a baldy.
 
They did indeed have uniforms:

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The KPD's RFB had uniforms, as did the SPD's front. Dunno about haircuts but Thalmann was a baldy.
Is that why the uniform included hats? Clever move.

As for whether people laughed at the SA etc, that Peter Cook line about "those wonderful Berlin cabarets ... which did so much to stop the rise of Hitler and prevent the outbreak of the Second World War" is one that's stayed in my head for ages.
 
Not sure where to post this - needs a dedicated sort of national cyber attack thread, couldn't see one, but oops:


WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Hackers believed to be working for Russia have been monitoring internal email traffic at the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments, according to people familiar with the matter, adding they feared the hacks uncovered so far may be the tip of the iceberg.

The hack is so serious it led to a National Security Council meeting at the White House on Saturday, said one of the people familiar with the matter.

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The cyber spies are believed to have gotten in by surreptitiously tampering with updates released by IT company SolarWinds, which serves government customers across the executive branch, the military, and the intelligence services, according to two people familiar with the matter. The trick - often referred to as a “supply chain attack” - works by hiding malicious code in the body of legitimate software updates provided to targets by third parties.

In a statement released late Sunday, the Austin, Texas-based company said that updates to its monitoring software released between March and June of this year may have been subverted by what it described as a “highly-sophisticated, targeted and manual supply chain attack by a nation state.”

The company declined to offer any further detail, but the diversity of SolarWind’s customer base has sparked concern within the U.S. intelligence community that other government agencies may be at risk, according to four people briefed on the matter.

SolarWinds says on its website that its customers include most of America’s Fortune 500 companies, the top 10 U.S. telecommunications providers, all five branches of the U.S. military, the State Department, the National Security Agency, and the Office of President of the United States.

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Hackers broke into the NTIA’s office software, Microsoft’s Office 365. Staff emails at the agency were monitored by the hackers for months, sources said.
 
I have no idea what this means, unless they’re going to set up a separate White House too with trump in it. (No way that Congress is going to take this ‘alternative’ collection of electors seriously at all, right? I mean there is provision to do so - senate votes which result to pick- but they just won’t. I think.

 
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