US election 2020 thread

[StoneRoad]

Fake Pews!

Nope, these really exist(ed).

the commercialisation of the confessional was how it was described to me by an ex-priest.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Trump inciting violence, warns Georgia election official

Gabriel Sterling cites intimidation and death threats to election workers in the battleground state.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sports commentator turned political commentator Keith Olbermann describes his experience with death threats:




Basically, his career as a political commentator cost him his career as a sports commentator because of death threats.

Olbermann tends to be a bit bombastic. After I watch anything he does I think "how do you really feel Keith?" LOL.

 

[ohmyliver]

Nope, these really exist(ed).

the commercialisation of the confessional was how it was described to me by an ex-priest.

This is all lies, you've got to think for your self, and ignore the Methodiststream Media.

You know that Luther is a shortening of Luthifer, right?

 

[Orang Utan]

papal indulgences sold to cover "minor" sins were just the tip of the iceberg !

Whereas Trump is selling PayPal indulgences

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I can only report on what I’m hearing from South Carolina but I suspect it’s not at odds with anywhere else.

-They’re furious at the perceived corruption that has rallied against Trump after his win against the odds last time. They feel that “the swamp” has made it’s blow of retaliation against Trump, and hence them. They’re flying their flags to show him their support / loyalty.

-They loathe and detest “the left”, whether that’s BLM, women who don’t know their place, LBGTQ, immigrants, socialists, reds under the bed , pro choice, intellectuals, New Yorkers, psychologists, hipsters, youngsters with their life before them and hope in their heart etc. They are reactionary to the core, and Trump scratches that itch. He says the things they feel they’ve been barred and censored for saying, from mocking the disabled to bragging about grabbing pussy to hating on the stranger in the night time, it’s Trump who is speaking aloud what they’ve been biting back for all this time.

-They truly madly deeply believe that Trump is chosen by God, and therefore a warrior chief for their own primary concerns.

- The economy apparently boomed under Trump. Ignore all the underlying truths about this, including the fact that very few at the bottom actually got to benefit from it. They were waiting for their turn, waiting for the benefits to arrive in their own neighbourhood. Having Trump’s second term snatched away means that they’ve been cheated of their access to the vast riches they envisioned cascading down towards them. The American dream of hitting pay dirt is deeply enmeshed in the psyche (whether that’s gold, oil, cattle, business, whatever). They’re enraged that the liberal elite, the book readers and the school teachers, have circled the wagons around their own riches and once again shut out the working man (cowboy, miner, steel worker, auto worker, farm hand, docker....)

They can’t act out their loyalty (they know Biden will be inaugurated) so they're demonstrating it. It’s the same thing as the South flying the confederate flag 200 years after that war was lost .

Flags are a fetish for Americans. The great majority started every school day throughout their most formative years pledging allegiance to it, like a daily prayer.

Of course the Trump flags continue to fly. This is a safe passive way to stand their ground and demonstrate common cause with others.

I've read this a few times just to make sure I got it. I think some of what the two of us are saying overlaps. I mention the rural/city thing because that's how I've made sense of something that seems senseless. I think where I live, they believe much the same thing, but they equate all of the things you mention, “the left”, whether that’s BLM, women who don’t know their place, LBGTQ, immigrants, socialists, reds under the bed , pro choice, intellectuals, New Yorkers, psychologists, hipsters, youngsters with their life before them and hope in their heart" with cities like New York, Chicago, and San Francisco. If you ask anyone what its like to live in any of them you'll get a litany of horrors. Ask about San Francisco and you'll be reliably informed about how the libs allowed the homeless to take over, needles on the streets, and piles of human shit on the sidewalks. Ask about Chicago and they'll tell you how Chicago is proof gun control doesn't work because of all the "thugs" (yes, that's a dog-whistle for something else) murdering each other.

I think you make a good point about the flags. The Trump flag is new "stars and bars." I remember one house in particular in the route back home. Last year it featured an American flag on top, and a confederate flag under that. This time when I passed that house it was an American flag on one side and a Trump flag on the other. The confederate flag had literally been replaced with a Trump flag.

 

[agricola]

papal indulgences sold to cover "minor" sins were just the tip of the iceberg !

a load of Bulls

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I've read this a few times just to make sure I got it. I think some of what the two of us are saying overlaps. I mention the rural/city thing because that's how I've made sense of something that seems senseless. I think where I live, they believe much the same thing, but they equate all of the things you mention, the “the left”, whether that’s BLM, women who don’t know their place, LBGTQ, immigrants, socialists, reds under the bed , pro choice, intellectuals, New Yorkers, psychologists, hipsters, youngsters with their life before them and hope in their heart etc. " with cities like New York, Chicago, and San Francisco. If you ask anyone what its like to live in any of them you'll get a litany of horrors. Ask about San Francisco and you'll be reliably informed about how the libs allow the homeless to take over, needles on the streets, and piles of human shit on the sidewalks. Ask about Chicago and they'll tell you how Chicago is proof gun control doesn't work because of all the "thugs" (yes, that's a dog-whistle for something else) murdering each other.

I think you make a good point about the flags. The Trump flag is new "stars and bars." I remember one house in particular in the route back home. Last year it featured an American flag on top, and a confederate flag under that. This time when I passed that house it was an American flag on one side and a Trump flag on the other. The confederate flag had literally been replaced with a Trump flag.

Oh yes, our views definitely overlap. I suppose I was more expanding on your post rather than refuting it in any way.

The U.K. election map is very much red (left) in the cities and blue in the rural areas so the US situation isn’t unique. I dare say it’s similar elsewhere too although I’ve not checked.

I don’t think (?) you’re in the South, so it’s very interesting that the confederate flag was being flown where you are.






Flying the confederate flag in SC has always been a Thing but not overtly about racist view, more about local culture and being proudly different to the North. The racism was always inherent and understood and never needed to be declared. It’s only recently that it’s become more of a political statement, before it was akin to displaying a sports team pennant: deep loyalty and affiliation but not so much deliberate political intent. That’s changed as the old forms have been challenged (by more passports, more internet, more contact with elsewhere, kids travelling away and coming home with different attitudes), and that’s the bit that Trump speaks to: fear of change.


It’s always been interesting to observe how local attitudes and reactions to me and my sister have changed over the years. We’re not entirely white, born and raised London, lots of book learning, broken family. Response to us has closely aligned with wider US political attitudes over the decades, both from Black and from white people. Of course I wasn’t conscious of these things as a small child but I have always paid attention to it since I stared to be aware of it.

I took a boyfriend there once. He asked me “Why does your politically active Democrat cousin fly the American flag off the porch?” I told him “You need to ask her” so he did. She and her husband looked at me, looked at each other, shifted in their seats, then she leaned forward and said “...Um.... This is your first time in the South, right? It’s complicated.... Our kids have to go to school with everyone else. We have to work with everyone else... even though this is a city, it’s a small town...”

Trump has somehow simplified that complication for people.

It’s hard to explain. Weird as it sounds, the South is still hurting about the Civil War, and they don’t know how to talk about that. They know they’re not supposed to be hurting, and they know they’re not supposed to talk about it. But it’s deep in them and it’s part of their common feeling towards each other (confederacy). Trump is part of that unified feeling.

I don’t know how this stuff might be working elsewhere, but given the way this election has played out, I suspect it’s similarly complicated.

 

[ginger_syn]

papal indulgences sold to cover "minor" sins were just the tip of the iceberg !

The plenary indulgence was the one to aim for sorted everything out no matter what you did. Expensive though .

 

[ginger_syn]

a load of Bulls

My grandfather recieved a papal bulll,lovely looking document .

 

[bimble]

This is not news and it’s not relevant to anything much either but I have just learnt that 1) General Flynn is not just beloved by Qanon he’s a figurehead firmly inside the magic tent.
2) he posted a video of himself on 4th July leading a small group of others in the swearing of allegiance to the Qanon movement and it’s strangely compelling as a bit of film.

 

[gentlegreen]

Over 25 PPP loans worth more than $3.65 million were given to businesses with addresses at Trump and Kushner real estate properties, paying rent to those owners. Fifteen of the properties self-reported that they only kept one job, zero jobs or did not report a number at all.

Release of PPP loan recipients' reveals troubling patterns

Tenants paying rent at Trump Organization and Kushner Companies properties are beneficiaries of PPP loans.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Sprocket.]

Not surprised at all. ^^^

 

[agricola]

This is not news and it’s not relevant to anything much either but I have just learnt that 1) General Flynn is not just beloved by Qanon he’s a figurehead firmly inside the magic tent.
2) he posted a video of himself on 4th July leading a small group of others in the swearing of allegiance to the Qanon movement and it’s strangely compelling as a bit of film.

Dangerous, that - if aliens had found Pioneer 10 or 11, looked at the plaque and then looked at that clip straight afterwards we'd have been lucky to end up as food.

 

[petee]

in case you were wondering ...

Army Hits Back Against False Claim that Soldiers Died in CIA Op to Nab Election Servers

A retired Air Force three-star reignited claims about troops' involvement in secret missions in the wake of the election.

www.military.com

No Special Forces soldiers were killed while seizing computer servers in Germany as part of a CIA operation after the presidential election. There was, in fact, no mission of the sort.

And members of the 305th Military Intelligence Battalion are not "the Kraken" that an attorney for President Donald Trump said last month she'd be unleashing.

 

[Chz]

The people that think wearing a mask is fascism are cool with martial law because their guy lost an election.

 

[Roadkill]

Christ what a palaver and to think Drumpf has access to nuclear codes as well

Even if he was to use them they don't actually fire anything. The order is filtered through two or three levels of the military, and although the US military has its share of nutters most of them aren't going to be up for blowing the world up because Trump is throwing a hissy fit. They'd tell him to sod off.

 

[agricola]

Sidney Powell is currently giving a speech at the "Stop the Steal" rally. She's just said that she grew up in the 50s, when the US wasn't divided along race lines as much as it is now.

 

[agricola]

she's now said people shouldn't vote unless the vote is safe (voter ID, thumb-prints, paper ballots)

 

[Kaka Tim]

she's now said people shouldn't vote unless the vote is safe (voter ID, thumb-prints, paper ballots, correct skin pigmentation) )

 

[danny la rouge]

Sidney Powell is currently giving a speech at the "Stop the Steal" rally. She's just said that she grew up in the 50s, when the US wasn't divided along race lines as much as it is now.

She’s clearly a talented stand up.

 

[rubbershoes]

she's now said people shouldn't vote unless the vote is safe (voter ID, thumb-prints, paper ballots)

Let's hope the good republican folk of Georgia take her advice in the Senate run offs

 

[maomao]

I've certainly heard the argument from a South African that there was 'less racism when black people knew their place' and it wouldn't surprise me to hear that from US racists. I think she is just off her rocker though.

 

[agricola]

This is easily the most barking mad public event I've ever seen. Trump tribute act calling for liberals, communists and everyone else to be killed.

 

[agricola]

Vernon Jones makes a speech calling for everyone to vote for Loeffler and the other one. Trump tribute act disagrees with him.

 

[agricola]

"American patriots love America"

this was actually said in public

 

[agricola]

"I don't want your money; Gods given me enough (pauses)... but I do want you to give money to my foundation, FightBack.Org"

 

[agricola]

They've started to ask people from the crowd to come up on stage and ask them questions. The first one is "what should I say to people who think I am crazy?".

 

[bimble]

You’re doing gods work here agricola thank you for your service .

 

[agricola]

The Trump tribute act is Lin Wood, who's repeating 1776 over and over again and saying ""we'll" (you'll) die before we give up our freedom". Then he said the Framers put a lot at risk deciding to fight the British - their families, their plantations.

 

[bimble]

Watch out for if he says where we go one we go all ?