8ball
Decolonise colons!
It’s a big pull factor for any religion.
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It’s a big pull factor for any religion.
bimble
floofy
Exactly. But what happens when your religious movement is only online, and you retreat further and further into it and your family just thinks you have lost your mind. No singing together no tea & biscuits after meetings just reading crazy shit on the internet.
Its also an incredibly dark vision of the world, deeply paranoid and millenarial and unlike any religion i can think of theres no hope that you yourself can make stuff better, no salvation other than by trump or other actors like Sidney, you the believer just get to passively know the horrible truth & pray for their success. Its grim.
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
We've been seeing what happens (the family breakdowns etc.). The geographic dispersion of people is a fortunate limiting factor on the phenomenon which appears temporarily less relevant than it is really is due to current lockdown conditions. Will be interested to see whether it will wanes quite rapidly once people are out and about again, or mutates into something else.
bimble
floofy
Yeah i don't really understand how big that overlap is, they do talk about god and jesus a lot. But the evangelicals were with trump for mostly pragmatic reasons from the start weren't they, and I think the Q thing was fairly marginal and fringe until this year when it has exploded with the help of covid and now the election.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Should expect evangelicals includes a lot of older less online types too though maybe that demographic is shrunk to nothing these days.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
yes.
also, i'm socially isolated, and, well, you'll know what i think of trumpism and Qanon.
bimble
floofy
Yeah the isolation thing is only at best a contributing little push not any sort of explanation in itself.
An underlying feeling of paranoia about the world changing and you losing your rightful place in the hierarchy is probably more important. The Q people seem to love this meme of trump the most, he posted it himself ages ago but it keeps circulating.
An underlying feeling of paranoia about the world changing and you losing your rightful place in the hierarchy is probably more important. The Q people seem to love this meme of trump the most, he posted it himself ages ago but it keeps circulating.
You can’t just pick a factor like “isolation” and treat it as a static input to psychological phenomena. It will be contextual (e.g. the culture the individual has developed in will impact the reaction to isolation), it will interact with other factors within the context (such as access to power) and it will depend on the nature of the isolation (e.g. are they geographically isolated or emotionally isolated?). Probably lots of other things too. There’s no doubt it will have a big impact but I don’t think you can state a universal law for what that impact is.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Aside from "isolation" as such, there is the fact that a lot of people have spent a lot more time on the internet this year than probably any year previously. That will be true for most people. It's interesting that Qmadness integrates quite well with US conservative forms of Christianity so well. The main thing they share is a millenarian tendency.
Some of the real loon churches had already started imagining Trump as a kind of prophet too, so there's another connection there.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not sure anyone's doing that, though. But it's not such a surprising thing to say that socially isolated individuals lacking good support structures can be more vulnerable to cult recruitment. It's only can be - ie statistically more likely to be recruited than the general population. There's nothing deterministic about that.
Yes, but it’s also true to say that that socially isolated individuals lacking good support structures can be less vulnerable to cult recruitment. I mean, that’s the nature of complex, dynamic factors and the word “can”.
With a rural US context, though, I’m certainly inclined to believe that socially isolated individuals without power are statistically more vulnerable to cult recruitment than those not so isolated. So if that’s what we’re talking about, no problem.
With a rural US context, though, I’m certainly inclined to believe that socially isolated individuals without power are statistically more vulnerable to cult recruitment than those not so isolated. So if that’s what we’re talking about, no problem.
bimble
floofy
Sidney Powell’s lawsuit filed today, which is as mad as you’d expect but is also stuffed full of so many typos it’s hard to tell what the words are meant to be, the true believers have come up with 2 explanations for even that being part of the plan.
1) the typos are coded messages to be deciphered by the initiated.
2) if it wasn’t for them laughing at the typos the MSM wouldn’t be covering it at all, so it was a cunning plan to force them to pay attention.
It’s kind of impressive.
1) the typos are coded messages to be deciphered by the initiated.
2) if it wasn’t for them laughing at the typos the MSM wouldn’t be covering it at all, so it was a cunning plan to force them to pay attention.
It’s kind of impressive.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, that bit where it said they were going to introduce proceedings and it read Itsthejoos proceedings; bit obvious.
gosub
~#
"I'm going to drink an entire bottle of rum before emBARKING on legal proceedings"
gosub
~#
bimble
floofy
Fill yr boots.
COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICCT COURT, NORTHERN DISTRCOICT OF GEORGIA, ATLANTA DIVISION CORECO JA’QAN PEARSON, VIKKI TOWNSEND CONSIGLIO, GLORIA KAY GODWIN, JAMES KENNETH CARROLL, , CAROLYN HALL FISHER, CATHLEEN ALSTON LATHAM, and BRIAN JAY VAN GUNDY,. CASE NO. Plaintiffs. v. BRIAN KEMP, in his o ...
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
tbh typos in a lawsuit are pretty unforgiveable. If spelling isn't your thing, you understand that and get someone to correct it for you.
Totally in line with the amateur hour vibe, though.
Totally in line with the amateur hour vibe, though.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
As someone who doesn't even forgive typos on menus, I have to concur.
bimble
floofy
don’t think so. What if my religion demands that I go round poking sticks into the eyeballs of strangers on the bus , does ‘freedom of worship’ mean I can do it? This was definitely a case where if the old judge hadn’t died & been replaced by trumps pick it would have gone the other way from what I’m seeing from lawyers.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's just vexatious nonsense. (Thanks for the link bimble)
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Fill yr boots.
COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICCT COURT, NORTHERN DISTRCOICT OF GEORGIA, ATLANTA DIVISION CORECO JA’QAN PEARSON, VIKKI TOWNSEND CONSIGLIO, GLORIA KAY GODWIN, JAMES KENNETH CARROLL, , CAROLYN HALL FISHER, CATHLEEN ALSTON LATHAM, and BRIAN JAY VAN GUNDY,. CASE NO. Plaintiffs. v. BRIAN KEMP, in his o ...
The spelling is less painful than the actual sentences.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There was a really good comment on the Qanon podcast as to why she needed off - trump weaponises loon stuff for specific instrumental aims, don't care what it is. She became the loon - got high off her own supply. Had to go. So now working with open and proud Qer lin wood.
gosub
~#
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I think this religion of yours is going to run foul of laws already on the staute book, and besides, blessed are the bus wankers
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Need those exhb to see how nutty they are of course. I reckon, as both an EXPERT and WHISTLEBLOWER that they're pretty out there.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
since things have taken a legal turn on this page, here's a demolition by a law professor that a layman can understand.
trigger warning: neocon website
thebulwark.com
Let’s start with some Lawyering 101. In order to bring a valid civil lawsuit, a plaintiff needs two things in hand: a law that authorizes certain relief from a court if a set of facts is ultimately proven, and some preliminary facts that have been gathered in good faith to justify proceeding with the case. Without supporting law or facts, not only will a court dismiss the lawsuit, but the lawyer, the law firm, and the client can be sanctioned for initiating the bogus case in the first place. The Trump campaign’s Pennsylvania effort lacked these basics. Someone should be held accountable.
trigger warning: neocon website
Trump’s Embarrassingly Bad Legal Case in Pennsylvania
No wonder his campaign kept swapping out its lawyers.
thebulwark.com
Let’s start with some Lawyering 101. In order to bring a valid civil lawsuit, a plaintiff needs two things in hand: a law that authorizes certain relief from a court if a set of facts is ultimately proven, and some preliminary facts that have been gathered in good faith to justify proceeding with the case. Without supporting law or facts, not only will a court dismiss the lawsuit, but the lawyer, the law firm, and the client can be sanctioned for initiating the bogus case in the first place. The Trump campaign’s Pennsylvania effort lacked these basics. Someone should be held accountable.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Which podcast is this?
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