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It will fail but i increasingly think thats not the point, the point is the almost total silence from the republican senators, after 2 weeks of this increasingly crazy and genuinely dangerous shit, and also what happens next time, if it is actually really close. And if they haven't come up with any new ideas of how to win (trying really hard to stop black people voting and then if that fails throwing their votes in the bin somehow seems to be it, strategy-wise).

Considering one of the 'disputed' States is Georgia where they really need to win an election very soon you'd think it would make sense for the GOP to throw Trump under the bus and come out in favour of democracy and due process. They really don't want to be helping to convince their base that the system is rigged and there's no point turning out to vote.
 
Considering one of the 'disputed' States is Georgia where they really need to win an election very soon you'd think it would make sense for the GOP to throw Trump under the bus and come out in favour of democracy and due process. They really don't want to be helping to convince their base that the system is rigged and there's no point turning out to vote.
Occurs to me that its simple self preservation - any republican who sticks their head above the parapet risks getting primaried at the next opportunity, for sure.
 
Considering one of the 'disputed' States is Georgia where they really need to win an election very soon you'd think it would make sense for the GOP to throw Trump under the bus and come out in favour of democracy and due process. They really don't want to be helping to convince their base that the system is rigged and there's no point turning out to vote.
I don't think claims that the election are rigged lead to lower participation at all. In fact Trump won in 2016 while repeatedly claiming the election was rigged. An upset and angry base is (IMO) more likely to vote. Both out of a desire to 'do something' and as an attempt to try and prove it's rigged.
 
I don't think claims that the election are rigged lead to lower participation at all. In fact Trump won in 2016 while repeatedly claiming the election was rigged. An upset and angry base is (IMO) more likely to vote. Both out of a desire to 'do something' and as an attempt to try and prove it's rigged.
Idk. Lots of screenshots of trump & Qanon people saying they’re going to boycott the Georgia election in protest at the riggedness of it all. Why turn out if you know soros is going to delete your vote. No idea how common that is though.
 
Georgia's re-run of the two senate elections could become very interesting.
the GOP supporters will either turn out to prove something about rigging or their quanoites faction will boycott ...

maybe the democrats will be able to turn out a much bigger proportion of their voters and win both seats despite the GOP's shenanigans !
 
Idk. Lots of screenshots of trump & Qanon people saying they’re going to boycott the Georgia election in protest at the riggedness of it all. Why turn out if you know soros is going to delete your vote. No idea how common that is though.
I suppose we'll have some data on it in a few weeks. I don't really think anything said on Twitter proves much either way.
 
Occurs to me that its simple self preservation - any republican who sticks their head above the parapet risks getting primaried at the next opportunity, for sure.

With most politicians but especially those of the Republican/Tory kind, you always have to look at self interest as the motivating force, of course.

It's a dangerous game for them no matter how they play it, I would say. The current strategy could easily backfire in Georgia, and if it does, they're in a bad spot. Out of power after backing Trumpism and with very dim prospects. First they lost the House then the presidency then, if they fuck up in January, the Senate. Trumpism is a great motivator both pro and anti, but it's not working atm. So what do they do next?
 
With most politicians but especially those of the Republican/Tory kind, you always have to look at self interest as the motivating force, of course.

It's a dangerous game for them no matter how they play it, I would say. The current strategy could easily backfire in Georgia, and if it does, they're in a bad spot. Out of power after backing Trumpism and with very dim prospects. First they lost the House then the presidency then, if they fuck up in January, the Senate. Trumpism is a great motivator both pro and anti, but it's not working atm. So what do they do next?
Whatever happens next there will be a reckoning, and those deemed unworthy will be primaried. Gonna be bleak as fuck
 
Idk. Lots of screenshots of trump & Qanon people saying they’re going to boycott the Georgia election in protest at the riggedness of it all. Why turn out if you know soros is going to delete your vote. No idea how common that is though.

the ones of those I’ve seen appear to be pisstakers or troublemakers.

I think conservatives know what is at stake and I’d imagine their chances are pretty good, they have something to vote against (Biden, because if they win it will stop his agenda), whereas what will Democrats be voting for or against? Biden’s weak centrist agenda won’t have people out voting eagerly in support, the bogeyman has already been put in the bin, they can look away now. Hoping Democrats are doing a lot of getting out the vote‘ work, but I don’t rate their chances.
 
the ones of those I’ve seen appear to be pisstakers or troublemakers.

I think conservatives know what is at stake and I’d imagine their chances are pretty good, they have something to vote against (Biden, because if they win it will stop his agenda), whereas what will Democrats be voting for or against? Biden’s weak centrist agenda won’t have people out voting eagerly in support, the bogeyman has already been put in the bin, they can look away now. Hoping Democrats are doing a lot of getting out the vote‘ work, but I don’t rate their chances.
You may very well be right. However, the victory over Trump in Georgia has demonstrated to people that it is possible to beat the Republicans there. Hopefully that can be used to motivate people to come out and make their votes count again.

I'm not kidding myself. The Reps are favourites to win at least one if not both seats. But I can also see them fucking it up. The two senators turning on their own Secretary of State was a bad look for starters. Let them insist on yet another recount. It won't change the result - it will just reinforce to at least some Republican voters that Trump is actually full of shit. The longer Trump refuses to concede, that can only be a good thing for the run-offs. In that sense, I hope he continues his epic sulk right through December. It doesn't have to be all Republicans who are put off by it. Doesn't even have to be most Republicans. In such a tight race, just 10-20 percent may be enough.
 
It did come down to one state in 2000 and it did work.
Sure, but that's why it wouldn't work this time.
In 2000, the SCOTUS simply refused to intervene to overturn legally-binding decision which had been made by others empowered to make those decisions (even if those decisions were very dodgy!). In fact, traditionally the SC has always hated to be put in that position.
Here, with much, much less of a case for intervention (in truth, no real case at all), they will simply tell the appellants to go away.
 
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Sure, but that's why it wouldn't work this time.
In 2000, the SCOTUS simply refused to intervene to overturn legally-nidning decision which had been made by others empowered to make those decisions (even if those decisions were very dodgy!). In fact, traditionally the SC has always hated to be put in that pposition.
Here, with much, much less of a case for intervention (in truth, no real case at all), they will simply tell the appellants to go away.
Yep, and on a point of procedure, the SC chooses which cases it will hear. It receives petitions for thousands of cases a year and only hears a small fraction of them. These cases won't even be heard, let alone voted for.
 
Yep, and on a point of procedure, the SC chooses which cases it will hear. It receives petitions for thousands of cases a year and only hears a small fraction of them. These cases won't even be heard, let alone voted for.
absolutely. It doesn't stand even the slightest chance of being heard - simply because the bar is a constitutional one, and is therefore set very high indeed.
 
Occurs to me that its simple self preservation - any republican who sticks their head above the parapet risks getting primaried at the next opportunity, for sure.
That's exactly the situation. They are simply terrified of Trump's base, who are like nothing they have ever really encountered before
 
they are very much like the Tea Party lot tbf. In fact, they are the Tea Party lot.
More a development of them, ideologica;lly - but what I mean the difference to be, is that the Tea Party was built up and around from a congressional caucus. The Trumpist were from no such place. they were a massive explosion that came 100% from the grassroots. Plus, in terms of their energy, dynamism and ruthless, ferocious intolerance of any and all dissent from their credo, they are way ahead of the Tea party. Traditional GOP legislators weren't ever actually that shit-scared of the vengeance of the Tea Party crowd.
 
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More a development of them, ideologica;lly - but what I mean the difference to be, is that the Tea Party was built up and around from a congressional caucus. The Trumpist were from no such place. they were a massive explosion that came 100% from the grassroots. Plus, in terms of their energy, dynamism and ruthless, fereocious intolerance of any and all dissent from their credo, they are way ahead of the Tea party. Traditional GOP legislators weren't ever actually that shit-scared of the vengeance of the Tea Party crowd.
The dynamic changes now that Trump is a loser, though. Much less to be scared of from a LOSER.
 
Traditional GOP legislators weren't ever actually that shit-scared of the vengeance of the Tea Party crowd.
The Tea Party deliberately targeted challenging Republican primaries that they did not feel were aligned with their politics. They pushed Cantor out for Boehner, and Boeher out for Ryan, GOP legislators certainly were afraid of being out flanked from their right by Tea Party candidates.
 
The Tea Party deliberately targeted challenging Republican primaries that they did not feel were aligned with their politics. They pushed Cantor out for Boehner, and Boeher out for Ryan, GOP legislators certainly were afraid of being out flanked from their right by Tea Party candidates.
sure, but I'm talking about a difference in degree and scale, rather than kind. The Trumpists make the Tea Party look like the corinthian casuals.
 
Literally no-one on these boards except Marty1 is stupid enough to think the supreme Court is going to overturn the election result so I don't think we all need to keep proving our expertise in the US legal system by constantly reiterating this.

Always good to see Marty1 tagged on this thread, as he can't reply on this thread, it winds him up treat. :thumbs:
 
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