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platinumsage said:
Some might care more about taxes or abortion than what someone says about the police.
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But sometimes not many. It is notable that just 1 in 20 black women voted for Trump in 2016. That will include a lot of religious people who oppose abortion.

tbh the idea that anybody would vote purely on the issue of abortion, which is what a fair few evangelicals will do, is rather more extraordinary.
 
JTG said:
It may not. There is a genuine chance of two Georgia run off elections in January making it effectively a single state poll on who controls the legislature
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Yeah, but aren't the thresholds for anything classed as a constitutional change higher than simple majorities? Must admit, I haven't checked recently...
 
Wilf said:
Yeah, but aren't the thresholds for anything classed as a constitutional change higher than simple majorities? Must admit, I haven't checked recently...
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Third thirds votes in house and senate plus a certain number of states have to ratify it as well iirc.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
But sometimes not many. It is notable that just 1 in 20 black women voted for Trump in 2016. That will include a lot of religious people who oppose abortion.

tbh the idea that anybody would vote purely on the issue of abortion, which is what a fair few evangelicals will do, is rather more extraordinary.
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I think this misses an important point, which is that many people don’t just form their politics either because of their race or their view on abortion. It’s more complex, temporally, specially and culturally deep than that.

I know this is a blindingly obvious point, but it’s one that seems to elude a lot of the debate especially in respect of elite identity politics
 
Smokeandsteam said:
I think this misses an important point, which is that many people don’t just form their politics either because of their race or their view on abortion.
It’s more complex and culturally deep than that.

I know this is a blindingly obvious point, but it’s one that seems to elude a lot of the debate especially in respect of elite identity politics
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Of course they do. Although in the US, a substantial number actually don't. Trump is the most obviously false 'Christian' going, but an important part of his base is formed of evangelicals for whom getting conservative judges who might eventually overturn Roe v Wade is really all that matters.

The challenge, of course, is to build cross-identity alliances in which class interests unite beyond various cultural divides. But there remain substantial challenges there, of course. One of those is mad r/w Christianity. It's not an accident that it exists (complex story, but in essence, the right infiltrated the church rather than vice versa), but now that it does exist, it presents itself as essentially a mono-issue extremist pressure group.
 
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PA - Trump lead down to 135k (two percentage points)
GA - 61k votes left according to their state voting manager. Aim to be complete by noon (so 5pm GMT)
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Of course they do. Although in the US, a substantial number actually don't. Trump is the most obviously false 'Christian' going, but an important part of his base is formed of evangelicals for whom getting conservative judges who might eventually overturn Roe v Wade is really all that matters.
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His vote share among evangelicals has declined.
 
platinumsage said:
Who'd have thunk that not all black people or latino people think that being black or latino is the only thing that should determine how they vote? Some might care more about taxes or abortion than what someone says about the police.
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yes of course....but for the vote to go up so substantially as a percentage in the last 4 years is remarkable - do that many more people all of a sudden care about abortion and taxes? these choices are clear every election - this is a shift
anyhow im satisfied with the answer from that polling about younger voters (under 30) seeing it as an anti-establishment vote, and that anti-establishment sentiment is rising
 
brogdale said:
CAPS LOCK unhinged!

View attachment 237475 :D
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That's a new error for him - he added an O by mistake.

platinumsage said:
Nah that's entirely logical - if you think abortion is murder then stopping the mass murder of thousands of children can easily be far more important than anything else.
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A friend of mine - American - truly does believe that. It's a big issue for her. She also believes that making abortion illegal doesn't actually prevent abortion, so prefers to focus on preventative measures. Also she is well aware that Trump is not actually anti-abortion.
 
Wilf said:
Yeah, but aren't the thresholds for anything classed as a constitutional change higher than simple majorities? Must admit, I haven't checked recently...
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Ah ok. But then two thirds was never really on the cards even with friendly Republicans was it?
 
killer b has mentioned in the past about how people in his area who may be more sympathetic to the politics of lib dems and tories might join labour and get on the council cos it's the only way to get anything done (and the other way round in some places). Maybe that's also a factor in the vote in heavily Republican and Democratic areas?
 
Idaho said:
Although, to be fair to trump, he has done significantly less bombing than all the previous half dozen presidents.
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www.aljazeera.com

Record 7,423 US bombs dropped in Afghanistan in 2019: Report

The US has ramped up air bombings since Donald Trump was elected president in 2016.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

The US has now ramped up air bombings since President Donald Trump was elected in 2016 as Washington removed a requirement that said the targets should be “proximate” to US or Afghan forces in order to prevent civilian casualties.
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Batches of votes coming through in PA have been 73% Dem (Montgomery County, Philly suburbs) and 92% Dem in Philly itself. Biden has inched ahead in Bucks County (far SE of state so again, Philly-ish) with a good 10%+ of votes still to count there
 
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