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Nah that's entirely logical - if you think abortion is murder then stopping the mass murder of thousands of children can easily be far more important than anything else.

If they were really being logical, they'd realize that the only proven way to prevent abortion is to expand access to birth control. Abortions have gone down in the term of every Democratic President since Roe v. Wade.
 
If they were really being logical, they'd realize that the only proven way to prevent abortion is to expand access to birth control. Abortions have gone down in the term of every Democratic President since Roe v. Wade.

I don't think these people are very logical, hence so many of them claim to be pro-life while also being pro-gun, pro-war, anti-mask, anti-universal healthcare etc etc etc.
 
That's more maths than I can fit on the back of this envelope so I'm out.
Haha! Pretty Dem counties returning votes that are even more likely to be Dem (ie by mail). I'm not getting deeper into it than that
 
will it get into the world of hanging chads and so on?

though PA should sew things up so it won’t really matter. Senate race may be more crucial there.
That specific form of voting tech was outdated even 20 years ago. I think most places are pretty watertight from that point of view now, outside of voter error in completing the ballot
 
It's a form of fundamentalism. There is but one truth in the matter. Everyone who doesn't agree is under the control of satan.

Yes and fundamentalism does not respond to logic. The only thing for it is a change in the emotional context. Which either happens or it doesn't, no reliable way to do it from the outside. The question really is how to avoid amplifying the crazies at the expense of everyone whose opinions aren't so loud because they involve nuance and compromise and stuff.
 
Anyone think that the hatred is deep enough that electors might do their own thing? Only 33 states have a law requiring electors to go with the popular vote. In the rest - including Georgia and Pennsylvania - the electors are free actors. Convincing just one Biden elector to vote for Trump could change everything.
 
Anyone think that the hatred is deep enough that electors might do their own thing? Only 33 states have a law requiring electors to go with the popular vote. In the rest - including Georgia and Pennsylvania - the electors are free actors. Convincing just one Biden elector to vote for Trump could change everything.
You feel like it might happen but it's really taking the lid off it and not sure it's actually that far given the in fact fairly limp turnout of headbangers.
 
Anyone think that the hatred is deep enough that electors might do their own thing? Only 33 states have a law requiring electors to go with the popular vote. In the rest - including Georgia and Pennsylvania - the electors are free actors. Convincing just one Biden elector to vote for Trump could change everything.
Unlikely. Going rogue and voting for Sanders instead of Clinton when Clinton has lost, as one elector did last time iirc, is essentially just a bit of naughty but harmless fun. To do so and change the actual result - nah, won't happen. Republicans wouldn't support it, for starters.
 
That specific form of voting tech was outdated even 20 years ago. I think most places are pretty watertight from that point of view now, outside of voter error in completing the ballot

Do they still use electronic voting machines in the US? Because all that shit is as far from "watertight" as such things can possibly be.



 
Do they still use electronic voting machines in the US? Because all that shit is as far from "watertight" as such things can possibly be.




The ones that don't produce a paper hard copy are being phased out, even in the South
 
Haha, mail in ballots about to create the mother of all Senate elections in January

 
The ones that don't produce a paper hard copy are being phased out, even in the South

Producing a paper hardcopy makes all the electronic shit redundant, doesn't it? Unless one is the type to think that backhanders to voting machine companies are an essential part of the democratic process...
 
Producing a paper hardcopy makes all the electronic shit redundant, doesn't it? Unless one is the type to think that backhanders to voting machine companies are an essential part of the democratic process...

Well, you‘d have thought that the electronic shit would make the counting almost instantaneous...
 
Producing a paper hardcopy makes all the electronic shit redundant, doesn't it? Unless one is the type to think that backhanders to voting machine companies are an essential part of the democratic process...
the paper hardcopy is for verification presumably
 
Producing a paper hardcopy makes all the electronic shit redundant, doesn't it? Unless one is the type to think that backhanders to voting machine companies are an essential part of the democratic process...
It can make navigating the ballot paper a hell of a lot easier when you have multiple elections to vote in and if there's a paper trail then shrug
 
If there's a run-off, is control of the senate in the balance or does that rely on some other counts going a particular way too?
It's 48-48 atm. Two other races ongoing are Alaska (very probably GOP) and North Carolina which is poised as delicately as the Presidential is in that state. So call it 49-48, guess at how NC ends up and yep, the two GA seats will decide who controls the chamber

ie whatever happens in the other two races (barring a miraculous double Dem victory), GA will have the Senate majority in its hands in January so long as Biden wins the Presidency
 
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