andysays
Love and solidarity
Good luck with your campaign to overturn their system
US election 2020 thread
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a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
Population of the USA in 2012: 313.9 million
Population of the USA in 2019: 323.2 million
Over 10 million more people now, but only 1 million more votes for Trump.
Another trump failure.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh well in lincoln's last election he received no votes at all in many of the states
Plumdaff
joy in people
The ex Republican governor of Wisconsin, Scott Walker, saying the lead is too great and a recount is likely pointless.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Going back a few pages here but a) no it doesn't necessarily b) these votes have massively gone up on both sides, turnout up significantly by 10% or more on recent elections = illustration of polarisation and significance/necessity on both sides. It's not just a mathematical fact. It has political significance.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh i think i've seen the figure of 74% turnout bandied about. which is unthinkably high for the united states
Let him. Statewide recounts tend to only gain/lose a couple of hundred votes
Raheem
Well-Known Member
He has actually outperformed every presidential candidate in US history, with only one exception.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
So, to summarise where we are:
1. Sleepy Joe is going to win narrowly. A last brain fart for centrist liberalism and elite identity politics. Falling over the line in the middle of a disastrously handled pandemic, mass unemployment and poverty, race wars and against a candidate like Trump should be a cause for shame and then reflection (I expect neither).
2. The spectre of Trumpism, if not Trump, will continue to haunt the GOP and late capitalist America. The inability of the PMC to offer a vision for the future ensures its echo will be present for the next period.
3. The best course now would be for the remaining States to go for the candidate of the PMC to close off any legal challenge/recount demands and to avoid further farce.
4. Large sections of the American working class (like the British WC) now consistently ignore claims about economic stability, a return to ‘the real’, the need for professional politics. As with Brexit, a significant and embedding degree of independence from elite thought has struck roots.
5. The attempt of elite identity politics to reduce voter responses to the crisis of capitalism as understandable by reference to imagined homogenised racial groups should, and I emphasise should, now be treated with the contempt it’s always deserved.
6. The unknowable is how a Democrat who had taken Trump on with an explicit offer to Trump voters - free healthcare during a pandemic, jobs, anti racism based around class unity - would have fared.
Have I missed anything?
1. Sleepy Joe is going to win narrowly. A last brain fart for centrist liberalism and elite identity politics. Falling over the line in the middle of a disastrously handled pandemic, mass unemployment and poverty, race wars and against a candidate like Trump should be a cause for shame and then reflection (I expect neither).
2. The spectre of Trumpism, if not Trump, will continue to haunt the GOP and late capitalist America. The inability of the PMC to offer a vision for the future ensures its echo will be present for the next period.
3. The best course now would be for the remaining States to go for the candidate of the PMC to close off any legal challenge/recount demands and to avoid further farce.
4. Large sections of the American working class (like the British WC) now consistently ignore claims about economic stability, a return to ‘the real’, the need for professional politics. As with Brexit, a significant and embedding degree of independence from elite thought has struck roots.
5. The attempt of elite identity politics to reduce voter responses to the crisis of capitalism as understandable by reference to imagined homogenised racial groups should, and I emphasise should, now be treated with the contempt it’s always deserved.
6. The unknowable is how a Democrat who had taken Trump on with an explicit offer to Trump voters - free healthcare during a pandemic, jobs, anti racism based around class unity - would have fared.
Have I missed anything?
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I'm hoping for "Supreme Loser" after court cases fail.
Thaw
Aye like, so it is.
From the numbers I see so far Trump has made more gains than the Dems
2020 | 2016 | Gains | |
| Dem | 70,055,711 | 65,853,514 | 4,202,197 |
| Rep | 67,321,937 | 62,984,828 | 4,337,109 |
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm sure trump will ask his supporters to provide a polite honour guard to the delegates going into the college.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
"The United States is a broken country and a heartbreaking place to live.
Dangerous times are coming, full of disease, violence and instability – regardless who wins."
Sarah Kendzior's column today:
www.theglobeandmail.com
Dangerous times are coming, full of disease, violence and instability – regardless who wins."
Sarah Kendzior's column today:
Opinion: The election shows the United States is a broken country
The country is a heartbreaking place to live. Dangerous times are coming, full of disease, violence and instability – regardless who wins, writes author Sarah Kendzior
www.theglobeandmail.com
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
'Please replay my failure'
Poetry after he became President by 77,000 votes four years ago
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
She repeated about LaRouchian conspiracies this time?"The United States is a broken country and a heartbreaking place to live.
Dangerous times are coming, full of disease, violence and instability – regardless who wins."
Sarah Kendzior's column today:
Opinion: The election shows the United States is a broken country
The country is a heartbreaking place to live. Dangerous times are coming, full of disease, violence and instability – regardless who wins, writes author Sarah Kendzior
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
NYT reporting that he'll have to pay $3million for the privilege as well as the margin isn't small enough for them to do it for free.
Have a feeling someone asked for a recount in WI last time but it got abandoned when it became clear the game was up elsewhere. Not Hillary.
Edit: it was Jill Stein and they did recount the lot. Trump gained 837 votes, Clinton gained 706 and I'm not certain Stein gained any at all
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
I really hope that as a final show of contempt for his supporters, the "billionaire" crowdfunds it.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
He'll probably offer to send his own counters to save on cost.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
"The United States is a broken country and a heartbreaking place to live.
Dangerous times are coming, full of disease, violence and instability – regardless who wins."
Sarah Kendzior's column today:
Opinion: The election shows the United States is a broken country
The country is a heartbreaking place to live. Dangerous times are coming, full of disease, violence and instability – regardless who wins, writes author Sarah Kendzior
Nobody does reflective smugness better than Canadians
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
"Mail-in ballot dumps"
A.K.A. Postal votes
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Exactly, we didn't allow one of our colonies to go its own way only to end up in them using the wrong words for postal votes.
By Ted CruzJust think, if things had turned out differently, we'd be on here talking about Hilary Clinton getting turfed out.
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