US election 2020 thread

[Lord Camomile]

Looks like the Dems won't get control of the Senate. If Biden wins, does this mean 4 years of stalemate while he struggles to undo the damage done by Trump?

Probably? Although mid-terms in 2022 could switch things up a bit? Could always favour the GOP, of course...

 

[killer b]

I can't see two years of getting fuck all done favouring the democrats in the mid terms tbh (if they win at all)

 

[strung out]

Looks like the Dems won't get control of the Senate. If Biden wins, does this mean 4 years of stalemate while he struggles to undo the damage done by Trump?

Another set of senate seats are up in 2022. Assuming Biden is president, it's possible some of those seats won't benefit from the galvanising downticket support Trump gave some candidates this time around (or perhaps the reverse will be true).

 

[ignatious]

Looks like he won’t need it now but Penn might still be doable for Biden

 

[Lord Camomile]

I can't see two years of getting fuck all done favouring the democrats in the mid terms tbh (if they win at all)

Could they not play the "it's the Republicans who are stalling everything; give us control of the Senate and we'll get shit done"?

<edit: I mean, given Biden's performance (if he even wins) they'll probably have to go some to get people to think that the Dems getting shit done is a positive>

 

[Flavour]

Another set of senate seats are up in 2022. Assuming Biden is president, it's possible some of those seats won't benefit from the galvanising downticket support Trump gave some candidates this time around (or perhaps the reverse will be true).

This is all very true but assuming Biden wins there is one huge factor in play which will cause the GOP a fair bit of soul-searching, because they will be trumpless. they will have to recalibrate and decide what new direction to take.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Mercia. Fuck yeah.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Actually I thought it had but I might be wrong. It's so annoying that so many sources don't split Maine and Nebraska

People worked hard for those 1 point splits. My guess is that they don't understand how the points work in those states and they just assume its winner take all.

 

[Lord Camomile]

This is all very true but assuming Biden wins there is one huge factor in play which will cause the GOP a fair bit of soul-searching, because they will be trumpless. they will have to recalibrate and decide what new direction to take.

Y'know, I don't think that had really occurred to me. Obviously I knew Trump wouldn't stick around, but I don't think it had quite clicked that the GOP would have to deal with whatever the fuck he's left them

That said, people like Mitch McConnell will probably just keep doing what they've been doing.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

i'm feeling depressed and scared and its basically just a spectator sport for me, some people will be waking up really frightened today.

At this point its a spectator sport for everyone.

 

[frogwoman]

This is all very true but assuming Biden wins there is one huge factor in play which will cause the GOP a fair bit of soul-searching, because they will be trumpless. they will have to recalibrate and decide what new direction to take.

That's going to be a problem for Democrats too tbf

 

[a_chap]

Mercia. Fuck yeah.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Mercia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Looks like the Dems won't get control of the Senate. If Biden wins, does this mean 4 years of stalemate while he struggles to undo the damage done by Trump?

Yes, the Senate will do what they did with Obama and nix any proposal that passes the House.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Grrr auto correct

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

That's going to be a problem for Democrats too tbf

Yep. We wouldn't be biting our fingernails now if the Dems had learned something from 2016.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Yes, the Senate will do what they did with Obama and nix any proposal that passes the House.

Democracy!

 

[frogwoman]

Turns out 'vote for me I'm not trump' isn't that great a message when quite a lot of people like trump

 

[strung out]

Biden could and should have won more easily, but if he does end up flipping AZ, PA, WI, MI, NE1 and possibly even GA/NC, then most people would have called that a fantastic, thumping result if they'd been called earlier in the evening.

We all knew Trump was going to get 40%+ so I'm not surprised he's polled as well as he has in some areas.

 

[a_chap]

Put your hands up for Detroit!!

Someone mention Detroit?

 

[Lord Camomile]

Oh hells, if Trump loses this close does he become a martyr?

 

[Cid]

Oh hells, if Trump loses this close does he become a martyr?

Yes. To a fraudulent system.

 

[strung out]

Oh hells, if Trump loses this close does he become a martyr?

Depends how long he lives for after this crushing defeat.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Oh hells, if Trump loses this close does he become a martyr?

Short answer: No.

He won't have won the popular vote after all. And Clinton didn't become a martyr after she did win the popular vote. Gore didn't really become a martyr after he had the election stolen from him. The closeness of the vote will quickly be forgotten by both sides, I would think. He'll become a loser.

But this ain't over yet...

 

[Lord Camomile]

Short answer: No.

He won't have won the popular vote after all. And Clinton didn't become a martyr after she did win the popular vote.

Yeah, but Trump fans are a bit more... fervent, than Clinton fans.

 

[8ball]

Trump now firmly saying that he'll go to the Supreme Court to block any further votes being counted.

Not even a pretense of democracy now.

This might still end badly.

Fucking hell.

 

[JimW]

Depends how long he lives for after this crushing defeat.

Can only hope the stress of the night doesn't give him a COVID relapse

 

[redsquirrel]

For anybody who hasn't noticed, I only just did, if you scroll down the guardian page you get the numerical gap and number of votes left to count for the key states.

Be careful on that Wilf I'm not sure how they are measuring % left to count when in many cases votes will still be coming in up to about week afterward

 

[Flavour]

Biden could and should have won more easily, but if he does end up flipping AZ, PA, WI, MI, NE1 and possibly even GA/NC, then most people would have called that a fantastic, thumping result if they'd been called earlier in the evening.

We all knew Trump was going to get 40%+ so I'm not surprised he's polled as well as he has in some areas.

NE1 already definitely gone to biden, he's got 1 EC from Nebraska, and apparently got all the EC up for grabs in Maine. Think AZ and WI are sown up, MI and NV could still hold surprises, PA would be wonderful but not necessary if the previously mentioned go blue, and I'd abandon all hope for GA and NC

 

[Wilf]

Guardian now has trump's lead in Michigan increasing. Though they haven't:

 

[Raheem]

Yeah, but Trump fans are a bit more... fervent, than Clinton fans.

Think there's a valid analogy to sport, though, where you're support is for the team rather than the manager.