US election 2020 thread

[teuchter]

Trump is losing support among white men but gaining support among minority groups. The ‘race’ meta-narrative barfed up by liberalism is embarrassingly wide of the mark:

Despite the shuffling figures, he's still supported by a majority of white men, and just 8% of black women. It's not exactly on a knife edge.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Beginning of the month liberalism was back with a vengeance.
(I don't mean you, rather the general liberal sploosh over Arden)

She's been the darling child of the international humanitarian order since March 2019.

 

[Pickman's model]

Point of order: AN is, to his credit, a titan of political TV (ask Boris, who pretty much cemented him in legend).

Just a shame he's a massive twat,, and genuine Nasty Piece Of Work. Oh, and a textbook bona fide bully.

Points of order relate to the conduct of meetings, eg a call for a quorum count. Your point of order is a point of information

 

[brogdale]

As an aside, I think those states not counting PV till after polls close have got it right, tbh.
The covert intel gathered by PV verification/count observers from all main parties in this country is significant in informing campaigning strategy at the ground level.

In 2019 Kuenssberg was filmed talking about the Tory PV intel before the close of polling.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Despite the shuffling figures, he's still supported by a majority of white men, and just 8% of black women. It's not exactly on a knife edge.

its not ‘shuffling figures’... these are a) significant demographic shifts and b) undermine arguments that race and not class/cultural factors are key voter determinants

 

[Chilli.s]

BBC should be well embarrassed by their shit show of coverage

 

[JTG]

In 2019 Kuenssberg was filmed talking about the Tory PV intel before the close of polling.

And she just kind of... got away with it

 

[chilango]

if you can be arsed can you elaborate for us not watching?

I only caught a bit, but he's pretty clueless when the terrain has shifted from post-war lobby politeness. Farage was batting him away without breaking a sweat.

 

[SpookyFrank]

In 2019 Kuenssberg was filmed talking about the Tory PV intel before the close of polling.

And should have been hailed over the coals for it, but predictably nothing happened.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

BBC should be well embarrassed by their shit show of coverage

Agreed. It’s been garbage. They seem to have packed up now thankfully

 

[brogdale]

And she just kind of... got away with it

And, more importantly, so did those from whom she garnered the info.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I would accept that more readily if they (the Beeb and their political reporting) hadn't been right of centre all night (and probably for the last 50 years)

you mean since at least 1926 right?

 

[co-op]

Trump is losing support among white men but gaining support among minority groups. The ‘race’ meta-narrative barfed up by liberalism is embarrassingly wide of the mark:

Spot on, and it wasn't even true in 2016.

Even though Trump is obviously a racist and racists obviously vote for him, the Democrat states that went for Trump in 2016 fell because the Democrat vote went down not because the Republican vote went up.

In other words the Rust Belt "white working classes" came out for Obama but stayed at home for Clinton. Lots of possible reasons for that but it's pretty hard to make "racism " one of them.

 

[Pickman's model]

If this was a UK general election they'd have finished counting the votes by now. Shit's fucked.

No they wouldn't

If north cornwall was in the United states it would declare about 3pm uk time today

 

[JTG]

Am now grimly entertaining myself watching Biden's lead grow in California as they stack up all those pointless votes. He's currently nearly 4m ahead

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Spot on, and it wasn't even true in 2016.

Even though Trump is obviously a racist and racists obviously vote for him, the Democrat states that went for Trump in 2016 fell because the Democrat vote went down not because the Republican vote went up.

In other words the Rust Belt "white working classes" came out for Obama but stayed at home for Clinton. Lots of possible reasons for that but it's pretty hard to make "racism " one of them.

Precisely. We need to remember this the next time the PMC pipe up (which, even after this shitshow, won’t be long)

 

[Lord Camomile]

Well, this is horrific.

 

[Ted Striker]

Lincoln Project have been great entertainment, through this tbf, fighting the good fight. Methinks Mr Sirota is spoiling for a fight - He must be new to Twitter, it's really not the arena for tit-for-tats...

Lincoln Project media has been infinitely more compelling than Democrat generated stuff. Shown them up to be the useless executors of... anything.

Which is bananas, really. They must have such a wealth of talent in their support base (with a skew towards college educated people, everyone on twitter that's not a dickhead...), how do they get it so wrong all the time? Impeachment, getting outfoxed on fed judiciary...The party of Obama are just damn useless

 

[Argonia]

Fuck

 

[killer b]

Lincoln Project media has been infinitely more compelling than Democrat generated stuff.

clearly not that fucking compelling.

 

[redsquirrel]

As shit as they are the Lincoln Project were never going to be that successful, most GOP voters are just too welded on.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Trump is losing support among white men but gaining support among minority groups. The ‘race’ meta-narrative barfed up by liberalism is embarrassingly wide of the mark:

the race narritive is also wrong because none of Biden's supporters can actually offer any evidence of his antiracism. none. It's irritating to see bumble go into an existential crisis here as if us saracens don't always bight our lip and vote for people who might be personally racist all the time. get a bottle of brandy and conk out.

 

[JTG]

Rashida Tlaib has been re-elected in Michigan

 

[Pickman's model]

Am now grimly entertaining myself watching Biden's lead grow in California as they stack up all those pointless votes. He's currently nearly 4m ahead

Interesting if he wins more than half the popular vote

 

[Threshers_Flail]

Sorry but who are the PMC? I've not slept enough to work it out

 

[JTG]

Interesting if he wins more than half the popular vote

He's on 49.8% and a 1.8m lead nationally

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Interesting if he wins more than half the popular vote

I’m now hoping Trump wins the EC but it gets overturned by his legal challenge.....

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Sorry but who are the PMC? I've not slept enough to work it out

Professional Middle Class:

On the Origins of the Professional-Managerial Class: An Interview with Barbara Ehrenreich - Dissent Magazine

How do we recognize the similarities between people of different class positions without papering over the differences?

www.dissentmagazine.org

 

[co-op]

Sorry but who are the PMC? I've not slept enough to work it out

Political-media Complex?

Not sure

 

[strung out]

Am now grimly entertaining myself watching Biden's lead grow in California as they stack up all those pointless votes. He's currently nearly 4m ahead

Every now and then they have a referendum about splitting California in two. Normally thought to favour republicans and potentially split the electoral college vote so they don't all go Dem, but with those numbers you'd have to say the Dems would probably hold both and get an extra two Senate seats into the deal most years.