US disregards diplomatic protocol, humiliates India's deputy consul general

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What I meant is that this is not the first time Indian diplomatic staff have been hassled by the US authroities http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11966665
etc.

this will also not be the first time that Indian diplomats have faced criticism for abuse of domestic workers.

 

[8ball]

PBS News Hour.

Interesting...

 

[Bakunin]

this will also not be the first time that Indian diplomats have faced criticism for abuse of domestic workers.

True, diplomatic immunity is habitually abused by diplomatic staff of many nations and in the most unlawful of ways.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Interesting...

How so? It seems to be one of the few in the US that's bothering to cover it at all.

 

[8ball]

How so? It seems to be one of the few in the US that's bothering to cover it at all.

Interesting in that it's one of the more reputable outlets in my opinion. Just trying to get a feel for the lay of the land in this case...

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Interesting in that it's one of the more reputable outlets in my opinion. Just trying to get a feel for the lay of the land in this case...

"Not paying proper wages" is generally a civil matter. "Slavery" is a criminal matter. This was handled as if it was a criminal matter. (still doesn't justify mistreating a diplomat.)

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

this will also not be the first time that Indian diplomats have faced criticism for abuse of domestic workers.

The same as diplomatic staff for many other countries. Why does it seem that it is Indian diplomatic staff that get the hassle though?

And in what way does that apply to the two people linked in my post?

 

[8ball]

"Not paying proper wages" is generally a civil matter. "Slavery" is a criminal matter. This was handled as if it was a criminal matter. (still doesn't justify mistreating a diplomat.)

Not sure how many slaves you can fit in an average-sized vagina.

Nor am I sure whether it would count as 'interfering with a diplomatic bag', which would certainly contravene article 27 of the Vienna convention.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Not sure how many slaves you can fit in an average-sized vagina.

Nor am I sure whether it would count as 'interfering with a diplomatic bag', which would certainly contravene article 27 of the Vienna convention.

As I've said twice now, even it the accusation is "slavery" it doesn't justify mistreating a diplomat.

 

[8ball]

As I've said twice now, even it the accusation is "slavery" it doesn't justify mistreating a diplomat.

I know - I wasn't saying you said otherwise. I just meant it seems a bizarre thing to do given the particular accusation unless they suspected something else.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I know - I wasn't saying you said otherwise. I just meant it seems a bizarre thing to do given the particular accusation unless they suspected something else.

I'd tend to agree.

 

[Bakunin]

Not sure how many slaves you can fit in an average-sized vagina.

Nor am I sure whether it would count as 'interfering with a diplomatic bag', which would certainly contravene article 27 of the Vienna convention.

There are a few ways round the Vienna Convention, as in the case of Umaru Dikko.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20211380

 

[Dr Jon]

The way the maid was treated was appalling, but not so unusual for India.
I'm afraid that enslavement of poor Asian migrants is not uncommon, particularly in Gulf states.
http://documentaryhive.com/slaves-of-dubai-documentary/

 

[ViolentPanda]

Maybe they were trying to make a point about these diplomats falsifying visa documents in order to bring in domestics in what amounts to slave-labour conditions.

I'm more concerned as to whether this means that Saudi diplomats are going to be rousted, given their history of importing "family servants" during foreign postings. I somehow doubt it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Should Indian diplomats be exploiting workers and faking visas? No. Should the US Marshalls service be conducting unnecessary cavity searches? No.

Except on fogbat , obviously.

 

[ViolentPanda]

everyone?

Everyone except fearless Johnny!

 

[Bakunin]

Except on fogbat , obviously.

'Agent Hurly, I want you to give this scumbag a cavity search. Don't stop till you've reached the back of his teeth!'

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I'm more concerned as to whether this means that Saudi diplomats are going to be rousted, given their history of importing "family servants" during foreign postings. I somehow doubt it.

I seem to recall a Saudi being expelled in New York last year. This is what I able to find with a google search:

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Brandon Montgomery says agents removed two possible victims of domestic servitude from a Saudi diplomat’s home Tuesday in McLean, Virginia.


The State Department says two women from the Philippines who currently work at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, claim they were mistreated. U.S. authorities acted after a tip to a telephone hotline.

http://inserbia.info/news/2013/05/us-immigration-raids-saudi-diplomats-home/

 

[SikhWarrioR]

I'm more concerned as to whether this means that Saudi diplomats are going to be rousted, given their history of importing "family servants" during foreign postings. I somehow doubt it.

And dont forget the royal slugs from the rest of the oil rich arab states especially the ones who want to build sports stadiums

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And what I am also saying is that there is a real feeling that, because the employer is Indian, she is being 'primitive' in some way. .

Who has this real feeling?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Should Indian diplomats be exploiting workers and faking visas? No. Should the US Marshalls service be conducting unnecessary cavity searches? No..

If SOP of the Marshals is to conduct strip searches, should this individual be given a pass because she's a wealthy diplomat?

 

[Dr Jon]

There are a few ways round the Vienna Convention, as in the case of Umaru Dikko.

I remember that:
"Nigerian Airways - a crate way to travel!"

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

the fact is that the diplomat was nicked and cavity searched; that is against the Vienna convention,.

No, it isn't.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

"Not paying proper wages" is generally a civil matter. "Slavery" is a criminal matter. This was handled as if it was a criminal matter. (still doesn't justify mistreating a diplomat.)

Visa fraud is also a criminal matter.

 

[Bakunin]

I remember that:
"Nigerian Airways - a crate way to travel!"

'We'll summon this dissident back to his home country!'

'In a diplomatic crate...'

 

[Dr Jon]

India has transferred a diplomat at the centre of a political row with the United States to its UN mission in New York to give her full diplomatic immunity.

link

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

No, it isn't.

It is if she has diplomatic immunity. The US government says she only has that in relation to her work, the Indian government says otherwise.

One would assume that the Indian government would see house staff of diplomats shipped around the world to be part and parcel of the job of a diplomat, so even by the US's assertions, immunity would apply.

Would you care to stick up for the frisking of the Indian Ambassador to the US, or for the former Indian president too?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

We shouldn't forget: this isn't the first time the US has arrested someone who claims diplomatic immunity, based in part on allegations by a household domestic staff member.

There's also Dominic Strauss Kahn.

A judge has rejected Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s claim of diplomatic immunity in his effort to dismiss a civil suit filed by a hotel housekeeper who claimed that the French leader had sexually assaulted her.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/02/n...claim-of-diplomatic-immunity-is-rejected.html

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

We shouldn't forget: this isn't the first time the US has arrested someone who claims diplomatic immunity, based in part on allegations by a household domestic staff member.

There's also Dominic Strauss Kahn.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/02/n...claim-of-diplomatic-immunity-is-rejected.html

A man who never had any kind of diplomatic immunity in the first place.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And never forget...