Urban75's north - south divide: definitive statistics

[neonwilderness]

I wonder where the last sign for "The NORTH" is on the A1(M). This is the last slip road one that I can see. Junction 56, which isn't much further north than Northallerton

 

[neonwilderness]

And the M6 appears to be Shap (J39), again not far from Kendal.



It's almost as if teuchter has researched this rather than just picking two arbitrary towns on a map

 

[kabbes]

In which case all those resident in These Islands are Northern.

Yes. This is clearly the case, no? We all live north of the 49th parallel north. That's really far north. Is Canada the north? We're like Canada -- their border is on the 49th parallel too. If you reverse it, note that there is virtually no land mass at all (Antarctica aside) south of the 49th parallel south. A tiny bit of Chile and Argentina, maybe.

 

[neonwilderness]

If you reverse it, note that there is virtually no land mass at all (Antarctica aside) south of the 49th parallel south. A tiny bit of Chile and Argentina, maybe.

And Brixton

 

[brogdale]

Have we had the Brandt line yet?

 

[Saul Goodman]

And the M6 appears to be Shap (J39), again not far from Kendal.

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It's almost as if teuchter has researched this rather than just picking two arbitrary towns on a map

 

[neonwilderness]

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When is the last one when heading south though? Beyond Northallerton and Kendal I suspect

 

[teuchter]

But Northerners tend to self-identify when they reside in the Northern part of their respective nations, don't they?
I can't recall anyone ever referring to themselves as Northern Great British or Northern United Kingdom citizens; have you?

If anyone wants to self identify, or refer to themselves, as "Northern English" or a "North Englander" then that's fine.

 

[brogdale]

It's an attempt to get people arguing amongst themselves.

You have to wonder at the mental architecture that produces the thought that argument in Urban's P&P requires more catalyst!

 

[brogdale]

If anyone wants to self identify, or refer to themselves, as "Northern English" or a "North Englander" then that's fine.

I'm sure they'll be grateful to hear that, but those that I've had the pleasure of meeting and knowing over the years have tended to refer to themselves simply as "Northerners" or from "the North". I think most people would instinctively know what they meant.

 

[teuchter]

Surely if we’re dividing north from south on an absolute rather than relative scale, the only dividing line that matters is the equator?

We are dividing north and south in the UK politics forum. Therefore we should choose a dividing line that makes sense for dividing the UK into north and south. As I said in my OP, I could have taken Shetland as my upper limit but I didn't, as a concession to the whingers that would inevitably respond.

 

[Saul Goodman]

 

[teuchter]

I'm sure they'll be grateful to hear that, but those that I've had the pleasure of meeting and knowing over the years have tended to refer to themselves simply as "Northerners" or from "the North". I think most people would instinctively know what they meant.

I'm sure they have tended to do exactly that. If they do so as part of a conversation where all involved are located in England, then so be it. But if they are engaging in conversation in a context where that does not apply, perhaps they could do with reflecting on their behaviour and attitude.

 

[kabbes]

We are dividing north and south in the UK politics forum. Therefore we should choose a dividing line that makes sense for dividing the UK into north and south. As I said in my OP, I could have taken Shetland as my upper limit but I didn't, as a concession to the whingers that would inevitably respond.

Don’t look now, but you’ve just made the argument that the dividing line for the purpose of this forum should be a political construct, not one based on geography

 

[teuchter]

Don’t look now, but you’ve just made the argument that the dividing line for the purpose of this forum should be a political construct, not one based on geography

No, it should be a geographical divide of the political construct that this forum is attached to. You might disagree with me what "makes sense" for this, but if so, that's because your opinion is wrong.

 

[kabbes]

No, it should be a geographical divide of the political construct that this forum is attached to.

Seems a bit arbitrary. A bit of this and a bit of that. If we’re talking politics then let’s talk politics. And if you want to base it on geography then let’s do that.

Aside from anything else, a “political construct” doesn’t have geography to be divided. It’s an idea.

 

[brogdale]

We are dividing north and south in the UK politics forum. Therefore we should choose a dividing line that makes sense for dividing the UK into north and south. As I said in my OP, I could have taken Shetland as my upper limit but I didn't, as a concession to the whingers that would inevitably respond.

But, by its nature, a poll asking people for response about where they live is an investigation of human geography or demography. Any arbitrary spatial, physical delineation of the land mass is irrelevant to the stated aim of the thread which was to ascertain if U75 membership reflected a Southern bias.

Surely, given this remit for your thread, you should have immediately alighted upon the metric of the population centre of Britain?

 

[Pickman's model]

But, by its nature, a poll asking people for response about where they live is an investigation of human geography or demography. Any arbitrary spatial, physical delineation of the land mass is irrelevant to the stated aim of the thread which was to ascertain if U75 membership reflected a Southern bias.

Surely, given this remit for your thread, you should have immediately alighted upon the metric of the population centre of Britain?

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He's full of fail. Again.

 

[Pickman's model]

If anyone wants to self identify, or refer to themselves, as "Northern English" or a "North Englander" then that's fine.

That's very generous of you

 

[teuchter]

Seems a bit arbitrary. A bit of this and a bit of that. If we’re talking politics then let’s talk politics. And if you want to base it on geography then let’s do that.

Aside from anything else, a “political construct” doesn’t have geography to be divided. It’s an idea.

It's not arbitrary at all. We are talking about a political construct that has a geographical territory. And we are dividing that into northern and southern portions. Let's not get silly about this.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm sure they'll be grateful to hear that, but those that I've had the pleasure of meeting and knowing over the years have tended to refer to themselves simply as "Northerners" or from "the North". I think most people would instinctively know what they meant.

“Southerners”.

 

[kabbes]

It's not arbitrary at all. We are talking about a political construct that has a geographical territory. And we are dividing that into northern and southern portions. Let's not get silly about this.

You’re the silly one

 

[Humberto]

Not so 'northern' are you now, Barrow-in-Furness!

 

[teuchter]

But, by its nature, a poll asking people for response about where they live is an investigation of human geography or demography.

No, it is asking them where they live. It is asking for a location and says nothing about demography.

Any arbitrary spatial, physical delineation of the land mass is irrelevant to the stated aim of the thread which was to ascertain if U75 membership reflected a Southern bias.

The thread has no stated aim. However, regarding what the thread is examining, the OP talks about "people that live in the south of the UK".

It's really very straightforward.

Surely, given this remit for your thread, you should have immediately alighted upon the metric of the population centre of Britain?

No, because that is something entirely different.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's not arbitrary at all. We are talking about a political construct that has a geographical territory. And we are dividing that into northern and southern portions. Let's not get silly about this.

You're all about division

 

[Saul Goodman]

You're all about division

He's a self-loathing Southerner. He hates the South and wants to include Northerners in his misery.

 

[PTK]

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Inverness is North of Perth.

 

[PTK]

So Latitudes are arranged according to land mass rather than degrees North or South? You’re only South if there’s more land? People at sea are neither North nor South as there’s no land?

Your suggestion is nonsense.

Yes, this is why the sea is imaginary, like the square root of minus one.

 

[PTK]

But Northerners tend to self-identify when they reside in the Northern part of their respective nations, don't they?
I can't recall anyone ever referring to themselves as Northern Great British or Northern United Kingdom citizens; have you?

You are confusing territory with people.
A nation is a group of people, living on a piece of territory, not a piece of territory.

 

[Pickman's model]

But Northerners tend to self-identify when they reside in the Northern part of their respective nations, don't they?
I can't recall anyone ever referring to themselves as Northern Great British or Northern United Kingdom citizens; have you?

You do find west britons, but that's rarely a self-description