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Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Bastani is a bit of a dick but those people with the paragliding stickers are cunts.
Urban v's the Commentariat
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Agree.
Fozzie Bear
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The only photograph I have seen showed the stickers on two individuals’ backs.
Are you certain that they knew they were there? If so, why?
Fozzie Bear
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Do you agree with him reposting the photo? Is this something Libcom would do?
Fozzie Bear
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Ah ok. “Libcom” is stil your tagline on here, hence the mention. If you don’t have 63.8k followers on twitter the question is less relevant tbf.
Brainaddict
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AB has posted about the ongoing furore and, to give credit where it's due, I don't think you can fault the response:
Fozzie Bear
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Sounds like a challenge to me!
Here goes:
Bastani -
"I have, at no point, said those individuals should face prosection - let alone 'collaborated' with the police, an insinuation which is wholly inaccurate"
Mohammed El-Kurd -
"One might argue that Aaron Bastani’s actions fall within the realm of free speech, however, exploiting an atmosphere that is already hostile to Palestinians and collaborating with the British establishment to smear, police, and punish us and our allies sounds less like free speech and more like harassment and incitement. "
This aspect of Bastani's response is a straw man and is disingenuous.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I think the original accusation of 'collaboration' was disingenuous. I think it was particularly nasty to associate 'collaboration' with the word 'police', that was done to get maximum outrage points. So I think AB has responded to the spirit of the accusation just fine 
Fozzie Bear
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I have some sympathy with that and we are getting into language really.I think the original accusation of 'collaboration' was disingenuous. I think it was particularly nasty to association 'collaboration' with the word 'police', that was done to get maximum outrage points. So I think AB has responded to the spirit of the accusation just fine
I don't know Mohammed El-Kurd but it is entirely possible that he was using "policing" entirely correctly as a disciplinary activity by the establishment and the media. Or not.
I suspect, as with so many ailments in the current era, that Foucault is probably to blame somehow.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I find it all rather bizarre and the public accusation to be almost absurd. There's lots of annoying things AB says, but to question whether leftists are allowed to openly debate forms of protest expression in the age of social media is a bit ridiculous. The worst thing you can say about it is that it was piling on to some idiots who will probably regret what they did in a few years, but since tabloids etc were commenting on it anyway, he's hardly made it worse for them, and as a 'commentator' it was hardly the worst thing he's felt the need to comment on. I think to call it policing is wrong - such issues have to be debated, and there's no option but to debate them in public these days.
He even used the word insinuated so I think you're spot on. It is probably how he first read it and no doubt others will have as well.I think the original accusation of 'collaboration' was disingenuous. I think it was particularly nasty to associate 'collaboration' with the word 'police', that was done to get maximum outrage points. So I think AB has responded to the spirit of the accusation just fine
ska invita
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Not The Andrew Marr Show pinning themselves to the cranks list
Fozzie Bear
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Surely calling yourselves "Not the Andrew Marr Show" puts you on the cranks list from the off?
ska invita
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Fair
certainly shows their age
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I like how that sentence can be read at least two ways, are you familiar with the vaguely camp online not?
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