Urban v's the Commentariat
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Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I mean that it wasn't a question of a single individual "deciding" that politics is downstream from culture, and therefore "we have to like, change the culture, dude". The structure of American society predisposed millions of people to make the mistaking of confusing a road to nowhere with a path of least resistance.
OK - I think this path of least resistance down which this stuff so easily disappears is something that's been created intentionally by people who have things to gain from it disappearing down it, rather than just springing up naturally. Certainly seems to be the case here anyway.
The Pale King
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Yeah there's some interesting reflections on this - sure David Graeber has an essay not he cosmological role of the police in American culture which I though was great, can't find it at the minute but this touches on some similar themes:
DaveCinzano
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Moar today:
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Scores of women are publishing details of their relationships with the Transmetropolitan writer, who they say offered mentorship in exchange for sexual contact. But they don’t want him cancelled - they want a conversation
kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
Moar today:
Women speak out about Warren Ellis: 'Full and informed consent was impossible'
Scores of women are publishing details of their relationships with the Transmetropolitan writer, who they say offered mentorship in exchange for sexual contact. But they don’t want him cancelled - they want a conversationwww.theguardian.com
So, he was a prolific “love rat”. Isn’t that what fame is for? Have we become so cossetted that the realities of a culture that worships celebrity have entirely slipped from our minds?
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Is that a question you are seeking to have answered?
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
kavenism having up to 19 concurrent relationships without a) making it clear to his primary partner or b) each woman that they are not his only girlfriend is the behaviour of more than a 'love rat' as you call it.
It's the behaviour of someone who has no regard for anyone but himself and treats women like objects.
It's the behaviour of someone who has no regard for anyone but himself and treats women like objects.
kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
Isn't that one plausible definition of a love rat, perhaps combined with the ethos of the "player" and "pick-up artist"?
I don't doubt his profligacy, though I'd be surprised if it was quite as superhuman an effort as this article makes out. 19 at the same time? When would he have time to write? It does say there that some of these "relationships" were online only, which doesn't really count in my book.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Are you seriously trying to argue that 'love rat' is a justifiable label for someone who has behaved like this? 'love rat' is a tabloid term for a man who cheats on his wife, not someone who objectifies women almost pathologically.
An online relationship can be very much as damaging as an in person relationship, if not more so because of the usually high emotional content.
kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
There’s nothing in this article that suggests he was objectifying these women, a concept that is a lot more complex than many seem to recognise. I defer to Martha Nussbaum on that subject. Having multiple partners does not necessitate objectification, though it can do.
Disrespectful? Opportunistic? Narcissistic? Indulgent? Deceitful? Certainly, his behaviour could be described like that, and I’m not defending him, it’s a shitty and degrading way to behave towards people. But there are ways of criticising someone like this (and the women who contributed to these articles seem to recognise that) which takes into account the complexities of the power relations at work and see a bigger picture with broader lessons to learn.
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equationgirl
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kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
No I deferred to Martha Nussbaum, whose essay I found very useful when I was writing my MA thesis on objectification. Distinction, in case you were wondering.
SpineyNorman
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equationgirl
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I wasn't.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
An MA? On objectification? And a distinction? Do tell us more oh wise sage.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Having a bit of a crawl? Good for you. You don't need to explain. Because you wanted to - that's all the reason you need.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Ignore LynnDoyleCooper. The rest of us doubt your sagacity and have no desire to read your MA thesis, whatever it's distinctions.
This thread is about exposing, mocking and belittling members of the Commentariat. Until you have a column in the New Statesman, you cannot expect to be seriously scoffed at upon it
equationgirl
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Perhaps he's a friend of Laurie's?
ska invita
back on the other side
Anyone have an opinion/overview on James Bloodworth please -aside from the plagiarism?
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Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Some stuff on him on this very thread and elsewhere, the search function reveals
ska invita
back on the other side
yes thanks, a bit bitty though. From AWL>Left Foot Forward to UnHerd is I suppose a well trodden trajectory, but he doesnt strike me as a full blown Nick Cohen type. Some dubious positions on international wars, but that in itself isn't worthy of being a right off. His book Hired on shit working conditions looks overall like a job well done, but there's definitely a suspect whiff about him - I'd just like a bit of clarity on what he's really all about, if anyone knows.
Artaxerxes
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agricola
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Artaxerxes
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
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Orang Utan
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it's not culturally neutral anywhere and neither is the Stars & Stripes
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