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TruXta
tired
It's not about what you think is it. It's about what message Israel is sending.
Sure it does, and it's useful when trying to explain or analyse what drives left-wing antisemitism: at the moment though, we still seem to be trying to explain that left wing antisemitism is even a problem. In the context of that conversation, I don't think going on about the actions of the Israeli government is very helpful.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't think it's whataboutery. It's a strange convergence of interests, to be sure, but it is very clear that the current Israeli regime attempts to make out that anti-Israel criticism is anti-Jew criticism. It does this systematically all the time. But, as Truxta says, it's not so odd perhaps that two apparently opposed ethnocentric ideologies should mirror one another.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Isn't the central question here 'How do we go on about the actions of the Israeli government'?
TruXta
tired
Hmmmmmmmmm. I struggle to see how you can have that conversation without some reference to current Israeli politics. Anyway.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The Israeli regime wants to shut down criticism of its actions and one of the main methods it uses to do this is to brand the criticism 'antisemitic'. They do this using whataboutery, ironically enough: you criticise us for murdering people, but what about all these other murderous regimes? You single us out cos antisemitism'. That's their method, and any discussion of antisemitism on the left has to bear that in mind.
This was my point really. Sure, it's impossible to discuss without some reference to Israeli govt actions: but how we talk about it, and when is important, for strategic reasons as much as anything else. Take a little care and they aren't able to.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ok. We appear to be furiously agreeing.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
In what sense? That they desperately want 100% conflation of Jew with Israeli? Well of course they do, why wouldn't they? But why anyone anywhere pretends to take this desperation as anything other than desperation is beyond me.
Well no, of course it's not actually beyond me; I do get it. It's a super convenient pretext for a lot of views I find disgusting, as expressed both inside and outside Israel.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Jacobin Accused of Reneging on Wage Deal in British Takeover of...
Workers say that Sunkara promised that if workers took a settlement of only 70% of the back wages that they were owed that he would bring them back as staffers after taking over the publication. However, Sunkara in a statement to Payday confirmed that he would not bring the staffers back.
The workers in a series of open letters have accused Sunkara of lying to them and simply taking over the publication to expand Jacobin’s content reach into European markets under the Tribune’s prestigious name.
“In the capitalist world someone who buys an ailing company and dumps its committed workers is known as an asset-stripper or robber baron, but at least they don’t claim to be socialists,” said former Tribune employee Ian Hernon.
Workers say that Sunkara promised that if workers took a settlement of only 70% of the back wages that they were owed that he would bring them back as staffers after taking over the publication. However, Sunkara in a statement to Payday confirmed that he would not bring the staffers back.
The workers in a series of open letters have accused Sunkara of lying to them and simply taking over the publication to expand Jacobin’s content reach into European markets under the Tribune’s prestigious name.
“In the capitalist world someone who buys an ailing company and dumps its committed workers is known as an asset-stripper or robber baron, but at least they don’t claim to be socialists,” said former Tribune employee Ian Hernon.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
two days ago he was doing the 'commies got hitler in' thing off the back of various media heads deciding to trash Rosa Luxemburg, as Owen Jones used the 'socialism or barbarism' line
these people.
these people.
rekil
to menny cranks
Katerji called Murray a racist conspiracy theorist. The 100% loon Patrick Henningsen, who was babbling away with Gilad Atzmon about jerusalemite domination, jewish power, Soros, and the unjustly vilified free speech site Gab on his show the day after the synagogue massacre, jumped in to claim he will help with Murray's legal expenses. Oz's shouty libdemmery gives me a headache but it's no contest as to which side should be supported here.
Just saw that cantsin deleted his post. Dunno why but I'll delete if necessary. I predict that Murray bottles it anyway.
e2a: He also accused Michael Walker and Novara generally of boosting 'racist conspiracy theorists from Craig Murray to John Pilger'. Dunno bout the rest of them but Bastani has certainly pushed Murray guff. They worship Williamson.
Just saw that cantsin deleted his post. Dunno why but I'll delete if necessary. I predict that Murray bottles it anyway.
e2a: He also accused Michael Walker and Novara generally of boosting 'racist conspiracy theorists from Craig Murray to John Pilger'. Dunno bout the rest of them but Bastani has certainly pushed Murray guff. They worship Williamson.
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Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I met Sunkara recently and was not at all impressed - this doesn't really surprise me. Certainly on the day I met him he seemed more business-minded than socialism-minded.
I've never been impressed with Jacobin's schtick of 'Here's the marxist interpretation of everything' anyway, but they do have some good content and it's a shame the management isn't better. I've also heard of a woman (friend of the person I spoke to) who left the US operation because she felt she was being treated so badly.
I had no idea celebrity rapist Owen Oysten was the previous owner of Tribune.
What's the current situation on that story? There was some heavy pushback from Burtenshaw & Sunkara claiming that the story wasn't true, but I've not seen a full response from them - I had a look through the new issue the other week and thought it was ok. Some good people writing for them who I'd expect better of if the claims are true...
What's the current situation on that story? There was some heavy pushback from Burtenshaw & Sunkara claiming that the story wasn't true, but I've not seen a full response from them - I had a look through the new issue the other week and thought it was ok. Some good people writing for them who I'd expect better of if the claims are true...
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
They got a proper celebrity line-up to write for the first issue - I don't imagine they can keep that up.
I don't know anything about the previous owner, but (genuine question) does the possible dodginess of the previous owner matter?
I don't know anything about the previous owner, but (genuine question) does the possible dodginess of the previous owner matter?
it isn't possible, he's a convicted rapist. I dunno if it matters, I just thought it was interesting - Oyston owns a lot of things round here (Blackpool football club, an estate agent, the building my ex runs her business out of, loads of other things besides) so it was a surprise to see he also used to own Tribune.
I wasn't talking about the celebrity writers fwiw, some of the non-celebrity articles were much more interesting.
I wasn't talking about the celebrity writers fwiw, some of the non-celebrity articles were much more interesting.
hot air baboon
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absolutely no idea what's going on here 
cantsin
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absolutely no idea what's going on here
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at at a guess, same as what's going on every evening round Frannie B's, once it's over the yard arm - her para/conspira Zarb sock puppet shchtick suggests it's all moving up a notch, and it's starting to all feel less sustainable even in the near to medium term imo....an Eddie Marsan style exit might be on the cards, or some quiet time in a nice place in the countryside etc.
Possibly more concerning are the FBPE weirdos lining up behind her on there tbh...total mess.
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cantsin
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fuck, appreciate your deletion,v decent of you squire - in retrospect, I probably didn't need to at all...but I quickly found the deleted / protected Katerji tweets, and then just sunk into a quagmire of the Assadist drivel all over the t/ls of the pro Murrayites...ended up in a stupid debate with a Corbyn supporter RTing Eva Bartlett, had to scroll for 1 min down her t/l to find the inevitable RTs of Red Brown stuff...blows my mind tbh, and if there's one thing I'd love to do , it would be to have it out (constructively ) with her lot / Chris Williamson etc, just to get some idea of wtf they're on here - am lost, I can't even find their defence of their positions ( prob need to look deeper )
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
More developments here - from other more weighty journal he publishes:
Some proper heavyweight names in that list of signees. Total academic dominance of course.
Fozzie Bear
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Bastani has his own show on Novara now and has brought forth the wrath of Tom Watson in a transparently click bait trolling of the Royal British Legion.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Well someone needs to do it, for sure. Presumably he has enough self-awareness to know that he could potentially get Ian Bone outside Jacob Rees Mogg's gaff levels of attention for it though?
Theisticle
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I had no idea until recently that Bastani was 34. Bring back the days of Aaron Peters praising IDS or him working for David Miliband’s 2010 campaign.
I am all for trolling the RBL but his arguments were just open goals for the Tory press.
Retweeting this nonsense is also hilarious. Novara eh.
I am all for trolling the RBL but his arguments were just open goals for the Tory press.
Retweeting this nonsense is also hilarious. Novara eh.
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