Urban v's the Commentariat

[Toast Rider]

I may have missed the bit where Basto + co declared themselves the one and only authentic voice of the eternal Proletariat tbh

they are a media outlet, they impart information and analysis, there is an implicit assumption of authority within that.

 

[Toast Rider]

is this the one that fucks like a champion?

i can't stand all of their voices tbh.

Bizzarre thing to put on a twitter account.

Perhaps she has awards for it

 

[ManchesterBeth]

it's just branding shit. oh look at how i am down with the kids. except they're at least 13 years too late.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

oops double post.

 

[Theisticle]

Here’s Sarkar defending those who defaced a wall of the Warsaw Ghetto with ‘Free Gaza-Palestine’ in 2010:



She rightly gets called out despite her protestations. Worth reading the exchanges with Mikey Franklin in full (all rather revealing).



Here’s some links about it in 2010:

Liberate all ghettos

The brazenness to target this place with pro-BDS stuff is also so unpleasant.

 

[cantsin]

got to be honest - I just don't believe this sh*t... 'close friends', who are socialists, and suddenly start spouting comic book anti semitism ...just don't believe it

 

[cantsin]

as for A/S representing : " one of the biggest and most dangerous atrocities facing our country today.." ?

 

[killer b]

got to be honest - I just don't believe this sh*t... 'close friends', who are socialists, and suddenly start spouting comic book anti semitism ...just don't believe it

I believe it.

 

[LDC]

as for A/S representing : " one of the biggest and most dangerous atrocities facing our country today.." ?

A good proportion of the commenters on that thread are fucking hoist by their own anti-semitic petard though.

 

[mojo pixy]

Something similar happened to me 7/8 years ago, but it wasn't just one person, it was entire groups of activists all seeming to come out at once. It's the conspiracism that does it IMO. ''Just asking questions about 9/11'' seems to lead inexorably to ''Evil Rothschild Elites''. I've seen people I thought good allies go down there and never return. There are plenty of people still in that mindset who seem harmless enough .. till you catch them in the right mood and they let fly, and you finally see where their mind's been the last few years. This all has a long way to run yet IMO.

 

[cantsin]

A good proportion of the commenters on that thread are fucking hoist by their own anti-semitic petard though.

wldnt surprise me at all, and makes the whole thing doubly depressing.... complete sh*tshow

 

[cantsin]

I believe it.

so you can imagine someone you know, genuinely on 'the left', who you presumably respected, cos they were a 'close friend' , who could suddenly come out with something as ridiculous / stupid as ' the world is run by Jews' ?

 

[killer b]

Yes I can.

 

[cantsin]

Yes I can.

ok

 

[killer b]

you need to clear that shit out of your eyes mate. That kind of throwaway casual half-joking antisemitism is everywhere, including on the Labour left.

 

[cantsin]

we must move in v different circles or sthn

( ps : " That kind of throwaway casual half-joking antisemitism is everywhere " - what does this refer to ? )

 

[killer b]

we must move in v different circles or sthn

( ps : " That kind of throwaway casual half-joking antisemitism is everywhere " - what does this refer to ? )

well, it's easy to imagine a Labour activist, after the recent 3-month long onslaught of antisemitism allegations in the national press and across all broadcasters, rolling their eyes and saying in a joking-not-joking way 'yeah but they run it all don't they?'.

In fact, I don't really have to imagine it - I haven't heard those exact forms of words, but I've got friends who've come very close. Maybe I move in more racist circles than you, but I doubt it.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I believe it.

I completely believe it. I’ve had someone who was mostly an acquaintance but whom I talked politics with at work suddenly say “of course it’s all the Jews isn’t it”; I’ve had friends who really should fucking know better start talking about the “Jewish lobby” and how they control so much of the media. Let alone online, Jesus. And none of it was jokes.

 

[cantsin]

we had someone mention 'the jewish lobby' on a whatsappgroup recently ( he meant 'the israel lobby' apparently which at least has some factual base, but still sounds bollocks, was put straight v quickly, and he wont be allowed
near any public facing stuff going fwd ( not a friends thing ) - but that's shit politics, 'jews run the world ' is straight up a/s conspira-bobbins, and can't imagine a friend saying it

 

[DotCommunist]

LAUNCH OF NEW CULTURE, ARTS AND POLITICS JOURNAL: DRUGSTORE CULTURE - CHARLES FINCH


this is great. d'ancunt

 

[killer b]

LAUNCH OF NEW CULTURE, ARTS AND POLITICS JOURNAL: DRUGSTORE CULTURE - CHARLES FINCH


this is great. d'ancunt

Ha yes. This is hilarious. This appears to be the opening paragraph of the opening article, with references to red-hot zeitgeist The Commitments. Also an interview with Ruth Davidson!

 

[killer b]

we had someone mention 'the jewish lobby' on a whatsappgroup recently ( he meant 'the israel lobby' apparently which at least has some factual base, but still sounds bollocks, was put straight v quickly, and he wont be allowed
near any public facing stuff going fwd ( not a friends thing ) - but that's shit politics, 'jews run the world ' is straight up a/s conspira-bobbins, and can't imagine a friend saying it

'Mistaking' the Israeli lobby for The Jewish Lobby is straight up antisemitism too, tbf.

 

[cantsin]

'Mistaking' the Israeli lobby for The Jewish Lobby is straight up antisemitism too, tbf.

agreed

 

[killer b]

That said: I don't think it's an unforgivable mistake to make, and one of the problems both with the tenor of the debate and with the wagon circling that goes on is that it makes it difficult to challenge these kind of ideas effectively.

 

[TruXta]

'Mistaking' the Israeli lobby for The Jewish Lobby is straight up antisemitism too, tbf.

Which makes it all the more ironic that Israel is moving ever closer to defining itself as a Jewish state

 

[killer b]

I'm not sure that the conversation benefits much from talking about these kinds of ironies at these points tbh. Verging on whataboutery.

 

[TruXta]

I'm not sure that the conversation benefits much from talking about these kinds of ironies at these points tbh. Verging on whataboutery.

You what now?

 

[killer b]

I don't think saying 'but Israel!' to every discussion on left-wing antisemitism helps the debate. The opposite in fact.

 

[Rob Ray]

LAUNCH OF NEW CULTURE, ARTS AND POLITICS JOURNAL: DRUGSTORE CULTURE - CHARLES FINCH

this is great. d'ancunt

It's like someone tried to physically manifest the essence of 1990s cool but made some typographical errors and got the spirit of Pseud's Corner instead.

 

[TruXta]

I don't think saying 'but Israel!' to every discussion on left-wing antisemitism helps the debate. The opposite in fact.

You don't think the increasing right wing ethnocentrism of Israeli politics has an influence on what people think around the Jewish lobby etc?