Urban v's the Commentariat

[frogwoman]

That Rachel Moran blog is heartbreaking.

 

[tufty79]

http://www.newstatesman.com/culture...as-bad-nick-lezard-makes-out-so-i-went-see-it

I looked about at the broken-backed furniture and the huge collection of valetudinarian “holiday” booze bottles some former flatmate had piled up in the nook by the book-filled fireplace

This *is* satire, right?

 

[el-ahrairah]

i think he's taking the piss out of lezard, but i can't be sure. whether this lack of confidence in my interpretation is a failing of my reading comprehension or will self's writing, i wouldn't like to say.

 

[Theisticle]

Hold on... I thought one the of key components of her Harvard degree was that she not publish any journalistic pieces for a year?

http://www.newstatesman.com/laurie-penny/on-nerd-entitlement-rebel-alliance-empire

 

[frogwoman]

Hold on... I thought one the of key components of her Harvard degree was that she not publish any journalistic pieces for a year?

http://www.newstatesman.com/laurie-penny/on-nerd-entitlement-rebel-alliance-empire

Is this to do with gamergate? If so I probably agree with whatever she wants to say about nerd entitlement tbh.

 

[Theisticle]

Not GG, but broadly in that area. A reaction to this comment:

http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2091#comment-326664

 

[el-ahrairah]

it's a load of wet liberal self-pitying crap with a couple of digs at radical feminists.

 

[DotCommunist]

the discussion is from gamegate but has moved on- theres this MIT bloke saying how nerdy lads are oppressed by etc I don't need to go into it all.

 

[DotCommunist]

this is where the top trumps gets us btw

 

[Theisticle]

Penny laments how women are shoe-horned into 'confessional' journalism but happily embellishes when it suits.

 

[frogwoman]

With all of these arguments (terfs, refusing to think that there is anything problematic about 'sex work', some of the terfs detractors who are using their total vileness as an excuse for misogyny) etc, I am becoming a bit embarrassed about saying that I am a feminist

 

[frogwoman]

Is there a space any more within feminism for a class based approach about things that doesn't involve terfery or thinking that everything about sex work is great and everyone who does it is liberated? And some bollocks about killing all men?

I honestly don't know.

 

[killer b]

Both of those things are pretty extreme, so I'd say 'yes'.

 

[SpineyNorman]

With all of these arguments (terfs, refusing to think that there is anything problematic about 'sex work', some of the terfs detractors who are using their total vileness as an excuse for misogyny) etc, I am becoming a bit embarrassed about saying that I am a feminist

This is one of the reasons why I don't call myself one.

 

[frogwoman]

This is one of the reasons why I don't call myself one.

That and the fact you are a man and therefore an evil oppressor of all women

 

[SpineyNorman]

That and the fact you are a man and therefore an evil oppressor of all women

Probably a rapist as well

 

[tufty79]

.

 

[DotCommunist]

Probably a rapist as well

all men are etc

 

[BigTom]

Probably a rapist as well

Your either a virgin or a rapist cos all m/f sex is rape in a patriarchal society

(edit: or gay I guess, what do those rad fem types say about male gay sex? is that rape too?)

 

[BigTom]

all men are etc

damn you with your brevity and succinctness :shakes fist at DC:

 

[frogwoman]

Your either a virgin or a rapist cos all m/f sex is rape in a patriarchal society

(edit: or gay I guess, what do those rad fem types say about male gay sex? is that rape too?)

I saw a terf saying that dilsos were a male plot as well

 

[killer b]

Surely all that terf bullshit it the equivalent of the all men are rapist crap of feminism past: Nonsense nutty fringe stuff waved around by feminisms enemies as evidence of the movement as a whole's nuttiness.

Just ignore it and do some real politics instead. Its a waste of your mental energy giving it any time at all.

 

[fogbat]

I saw a terf saying that dilsos were a male plot as well

Gateway phalluses. (Phalli? )

 

[tufty79]

Gateway phalluses. (Phalli? )

Fake penises (© my mum, c. 1994)

 

[DotCommunist]

Gateway phalluses. (Phalli? )

phalluses

 

[fogbat]

Fake penises (© my mum, c. 1994)

Jeremy Kyle should do a special. Update her knowledge.

 

[el-ahrairah]

Surely all that terf bullshit it the equivalent of the all men are rapist crap of feminism past: Nonsense nutty fringe stuff waved around by feminisms enemies as evidence of the movement as a whole's nuttiness.

Just ignore it and do some real politics instead. Its a waste of your mental energy giving it any time at all.

all politics has some idiots attached. feminism has these idiots. don't worry about them, they make a lot of noise but there's not really that many of them compared to sensible marxist-feminists (or even liberal choosy choicey feminists).

 

[YouSir]

all politics has some idiots attached. feminism has these idiots. don't worry about them, they make a lot of noise but there's not really that many of them compared to sensible marxist-feminists (or even liberal choosy choicey feminists).

They are often louder though. Unfortunately.

 

[toggle]

Surely all that terf bullshit it the equivalent of the all men are rapist crap of feminism past: Nonsense nutty fringe stuff waved around by feminisms enemies as evidence of the movement as a whole's nuttiness.

Just ignore it and do some real politics instead. Its a waste of your mental energy giving it any time at all.

it's not so bad when ti's terf crap being waved about by MRAs as evidence we're all nutters. the worst bit is terf/political lesbian fucknuts - like brennan working with a voice for men and other mra fucknuts. while still claiming to be radical feminists

 

[frogwoman]

Why did she do that?

it's not so bad when ti's terf crap being waved about by MRAs as evidence we're all nutters. the worst bit is terf/political lesbian fucknuts - like brennan working with a voice for men and other mra fucknuts. while still claiming to be radical feminists