Urban v's the Commentariat

[Theisticle]

Laurie's chum here, ooooh shocking

What an asshole. IIRC Milo once said on edition of BBC Free Speech that he had no issue with racial profiling.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Eoin Clarke makes you ‘an offer you can't refuse’:

 

[steeplejack]

are we meant to be honoured if whoever "Eoin Clarke" is re-tweets us, or something?

who the fuck is he, anyway? the arrogance of these people always both baffles and surprises me.

 

[DaveCinzano]

are we meant to be honoured if whoever "Eoin Clarke" is re-tweets us, or something?

who the fuck is he, anyway? the arrogance of these people always both baffles and surprises me.

Hey, he's got 30,000 followers, so he must be important!

Labour. Ethical Socialist. Founder of @LabourLeft. Editor of The Green Benches

greenbenchesuk.com

 

[steeplejack]

In other words, a guy with an opinion and some shitty blog /magazine that hardly anybody reads.

unreal.

 

[DotCommunist]

that quid could be better spent on 6 chomps

 

[emanymton]

that quid could be better spent on 6 chomps

It would be better spent dropping it down the drain to be frank.

 

[Idris2002]

Great choice of site to be shocking on too - one set up by a racist homophobic far-righter.

One who killed himself with fatty food and cocaine, John Belushi style, no less.

 

[Idris2002]

that quid could be better spent on 6 chomps

You mean they still make chomps? This changes everything. . .

 

[ViolentPanda]

are we meant to be honoured if whoever "Eoin Clarke" is re-tweets us, or something?

who the fuck is he, anyway? the arrogance of these people always both baffles and surprises me.

He's a backbench Labour MP, IIRC. Very opinionated, and sometimes a bit conspiratastic.

 

[Balbi]

He's a backbench Labour MP, IIRC. Very opinionated, and sometimes a bit conspiratastic.

He isn't an MP

 

[Left]

Would people be willing to admit that this is a decent article? New Statesman | Let's call the Isla Vista killings what they were: misogynist extremism

I can't find anything to take issue with there.

 

[butchersapron]

Would people be willing to admit that this is a decent article? New Statesman | Let's call the Isla Vista killings what they were: misogynist extremism

I can't find anything to take issue with there.

What about this nonsense?

For some time now, misogynist extremism has been excused, as all acts of terrorism committed by white men are excused, as an aberration, as the work of random loons, not real men at all. Why are we denying the existence of a pattern?

There's a whole industry attempting to place terrorism committed by white men in all sorts of contexts and political patterns beyond being the work of random loons. Do i need mention Brevik? Copeland? The Lone Wolf Industry? Timothy Mcveigh and the american far right?

 

[Left]

What about this nonsense?



There's a whole industry attempting to place terrorism committed by white men in all sorts of contexts beyond being the work of random loons. Do i need mention Brevik? Copeland? The Lone Wolf Industry? Timothy Mcveigh and the american far right?

But surely you would agree that acts of terrorism by (non-Muslim) white men are treated differently in the media and by the public? Including reluctance to use the word "terrorism"? and that remarkably little attention is paid their whiteness and maleness and its relevance?

 

[butchersapron]

But surely you would agree that acts of terrorism by (non-Muslim) white men are treated differently in the media and by the public? Including reluctance to use the word "terrorism"? and that remarkably little attention is paid their whiteness and maleness and its relevance?

I'm arguing that the bit that i highlighted - the definite universal statement, the founding rock of the whole article - is wrong. Embarrassingly wrong. And that pointing out a few examples of a real living tradition of understanding white terrorism in a way contrary to the articles opening claim, is enough to fatally undermine it, no matter how many other examples of treating white terrorism (also a thing which doesn't exist, but i'll leave that for now) being treated in the way that the article suggests is universal.

 

[rekil]

Rodger's mam was asian, doesn't that make him a POC according to intersectionality rules?

Pathetic understanding of political violence here, which amongst other things, ignores the participation of women, which is doubly peculiar because LP often fetishizes them. What's going on in Oxford?

Violent extremism always attracts the lost, the broken, young men full of rage at the hand they’ve been dealt. Violent extremism entices those who long to lash out at a system they believe has cheated them, but lack they courage to think for themselves, beyond the easy answers they are offered by pedlars of hate.

This is why we can't have nice things. Like a revolution.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Pathetic understanding of political violence here, which amongst other things, ignores the participation of women, which is doubly peculiar because LP often fetishizes them.

Violent extremism always attracts the lost, the broken, young men full of rage at the hand they’ve been dealt. Violent extremism entices those who long to lash out at a system they believe has cheated them, but lack they courage to think for themselves, beyond the easy answers they are offered by pedlars of hate.

Hmmm...

Fewer business lunches, more throwing punches

 

[DotCommunist]

thats so patronising. Broken my arse, plenty of people driven to acts of political violence because of their personal convictions are hale of mind and body and very angry. Lack the courage. Always that fucking binary.

 

[Limerick Red]

Not that it really needs mentioning, but there is a important role being played on behalf of the state by articles like those Linked to here, and that's the conflation of "extremism" and "bad", whereby the political origins/intent of the "extremists" get swept away in the handwringing.
Allowing "progressives" over and over to ally themselves with the state, as for example hope not hate do, in describing themselves against "all extremism"

Naxalites you lack the courage to think for yourselves!

ETA stop offering easy answers you pedlars of hate!

 

[DotCommunist]

peddler anyway. Pedlar is the olden day word.

 

[tim]

But surely you would agree that acts of terrorism by (non-Muslim) white men are treated differently in the media and by the public? Including reluctance to use the word "terrorism"? and that remarkably little attention is paid their whiteness and maleness and its relevance?

A reluctance not reflected in the ongoing quest to get Gerry Adams

 

[DotCommunist]

You mean they still make chomps? This changes everything. . .

They do, but sit down for this.




They now charge 15p for a chomp. That also goes for a finger of Fudge and a Curly Wurly.

I know. I know it is hard news. But we will adapt and survive

 

[Idris2002]

They do, but sit down for this.




They now charge 15p for a chomp. That also goes for a finger of Fudge and a Curly Wurly.

I know. I know it is hard news. But we will adapt and survive

 

[tim]

peddler anyway. Pedlar is the olden day word.

The words of a self-appointed pedlar of lexicographical authority. Your intolerance of marginalised spellings disgusts me. A less intolerant society would gaol your sort

 

[tim]

But surely you would agree that acts of terrorism by (non-Muslim) white men are treated differently in the media and by the public? Including reluctance to use the word "terrorism"? and that remarkably little attention is paid their whiteness and maleness and its relevance?

Its a lack of a coherent political or religious justifying ideology that leads to the term terrorist not to be used for spree killers such as Elliot Rodger.

 

[seventh bullet]

Not that it really needs mentioning, but there is a important role being played on behalf of the state by articles like those Linked to here, and that's the conflation of "extremism" and "bad", whereby the political origins/intent of the "extremists" get swept away in the handwringing.
Allowing "progressives" over and over to ally themselves with the state, as for example hope not hate do, in describing themselves against "all extremism"

Naxalites you lack the courage to think for yourselves!

ETA stop offering easy answers you pedlars of hate!

Naxalism (not the label loosely used by the Indian government) has been going nowhere for years. It's an awful, largely un-Maoist struggle.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Ourselves alone?

 

[rekil]

Naxalism (not the label loosely used by the Indian government) has been going nowhere for years. It's an awful, largely un-Maoist struggle.

They need to get a move on and renew their new statesman subscription pronto.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Rodger's mam was asian, doesn't that make him a POC according to intersectionality rules?

Pathetic understanding of political violence here, which amongst other things, ignores the participation of women, which is doubly peculiar because LP often fetishizes them. What's going on in Oxford?

This is why we can't have nice things. Like a revolution.

Very poor understanding of the psychology behind some terrorists/freedom fighters too. Some choose, from a basis of rationality rather than extremism, to do what they do.
She completely removes any agency from them, in effect making them puppets rather than active, engaged participants whose basis for action lies in "getting the story out" and creating political and economic tensions.

 

[ViolentPanda]

thats so patronising. Broken my arse, plenty of people driven to acts of political violence because of their personal convictions are hale of mind and body and very angry. Lack the courage. Always that fucking binary.

Easy-reading reductivism - that's what she's about. Echo-chambering the mainstream, and presenting it as radical thought.