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Dunno if this was put up before. Dippy liberal bingo - epic OWS, Lennon, Steve Jobs. Does Crabapple reckon the problem is that we don't have 'proper' capitalism?

I am an entrepreneur. I fucking love entrepreneurship. But society as it is now cannot function if most people are entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurs need employees. They need infrastructure. They need people to assemble their iphones. To condemn people, as I sometimes see done, to severe financial fuckery, for being the average working stiffs who make the world run, is privileged bullshit I can’t stomach. We ALL have a common cause in fighting the corrupt, anti-competitive oligarchy in power.

This isn’t about whether you wear designer shoes or hate the smell of weed or can’t stand fucking hippies and their drum circles. Its about whether you support an anti-capitalist fuedal-lord grifter class that privatizes their profits but socializes their losses

To quote me some Lennon, who in this instance summed up the mindset of said grifter class magnificently “And you think you’re so clever and classless and free/But you’re still fucking peasants as far as I can see”

One final thought- I’ve seen precious little #ows anger aimed at people like Steve Jobs who Got Rich Making Stuff. The anger I’ve seen at #ows is primarily aimed towards people who got rich through shifty math, scamming, and government connections
How is it possible to get Lennon wrong? And here, I assume she's attempting to draw comparisons between people protesting against Albuquerque coppers habit of killing people and those in Venezuela and/or maybe Ukraine as well.

 
That's your basic rich-girl market-libertarianism isn't it? Here's something on Steve 'doing capitalism proper'Jobs btw: Newly unsealed documents show Steve Jobs’ brutal response after getting a Google employee fired

that's exactly what it is. she's not got a problem with capitalism really, you could replace the word 'entrepreneur' in that rant with 'capitalist' and not lose anything. she's basically decided that the problem is that she's not the oligarchy.
 
future_mr_crabapple 1 point 12 months ago
So how much money do you make a year with your many different projects? But seriously, you seem to have the ideal life of being yourself and doing what you love to do. Is it all for the art or is the Molly Crabapple empire not get out of bed for less than $25k? It's wrong for you to hold out with vital financial information if we are to be married one day.... PS Sorry I missed your AMA and hope you reply with your drunken guard down.

mollycrabapple 8 points 12 months ago

I gross six figures a year, but expenses like giving my employees benefits chip away at that. Generally it's a matter of working for free for the righteous and charging lots to for profit places.

If you want to marry me you have to fight Fred first
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1bo9lw/i_am_molly_crabapple_an_artist_who_documents/

Monetise, people.
 
And I bet a lot of those expenses are tax deductible too.

Quite so. As long as other employers are as benevolent and enlightened as Crabapple wants to advertise herself as, she does not have any problems with the economic system or its inherent exploitation. Her politics are of the wateriest variety - not even countercultural.
 
It's an American liberal thing. Entrepreneurs and capitalists are good; corporations and monopolies are bad. They think there's a contradiction between these two groups.
 
It's an American liberal thing. <snip>
*enlightenment dawns* That would certainly explain why some Americans have called me everything from unpatriotic to communist for expressing what seemed only slightly left of centre ideas. eg suggesting that all the tenants in the same block clubbed together to pay for the removal of a large wasp nest on a communal landing instead of leaving it to the one whose front door was nearest.
 
It's an American liberal thing. Entrepreneurs and capitalists are good; corporations and monopolies are bad. They think there's a contradiction between these two groups.

And this is also where you get 'big this' or 'big that' as a synonym for what is wrong with the world. E.g. lashing the pharmaceutical industry for being 'big pharma' - the fact that that industry is big is one of the good things about it.
 
I think I've finally worked out why I dislike Suey Park. For reasons like this:

Her degree of involvement in a hashtagged cause, she said, depends on how much “free time” she has at the moment, and whether a particular issue piques her interest. “It’s not like I enjoy missing ‘Scandal’ to tweet about ‘The Colbert Report,’” she said.

Park suggested that she, like West, is playing to a part and, in the process, satirizing what we might expect from a twenty-three-year-old hashtag activist. “There’s no reason for me to act reasonable, because I won’t be taken seriously anyway,” she said. “So I might as well perform crazy to point out exactly what’s expected from me.”

I know she does other work outside of Twitter but her attitude just rubs me the wrong way, again she must be the focus of the story. That NewYorker piece is a good read.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...witter-campaign-to-cancel-colbert-report.html
 
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I think I've finally worked out why I dislike Suey Park. For reasons like this:

Her degree of involvement in a hashtagged cause, she said, depends on how much “free time” she has at the moment, and whether a particular issue piques her interest. “It’s not like I enjoy missing ‘Scandal’ to tweet about ‘The Colbert Report,’” she said.

Park suggested that she, like West, is playing to a part and, in the process, satirizing what we might expect from a twenty-three-year-old hashtag activist. “There’s no reason for me to act reasonable, because I won’t be taken seriously anyway,” she said. “So I might as well perform crazy to point out exactly what’s expected from me.”

I know she does other work outside of Twitter but her attitude just rubs me the wrong way, again she must be the focus of the story. That NewYorker piece is a good read.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...witter-campaign-to-cancel-colbert-report.html

I've not been following this thread as closely as some but what I don't get is why she's seen as important at all? I don't really see a problem with what she's saying there as far as it goes - so she sticks some stuff up on twitter when she can be bothered, nothing wrong with that in itself - but how does it get to the point where we're discussing her?:confused:

Like that interview with her a few pages back going on about how she 'decided to start a hashtag' as if it's some momentous achievement. :facepalm:
 
I've not been following this thread as closely as some but what I don't get is why she's seen as important at all? I don't really see a problem with what she's saying there as far as it goes - so she sticks some stuff up on twitter when she can be bothered, nothing wrong with that in itself - but how does it get to the point where we're discussing her?:confused:
how long have you been on urban? haven't you yet realised that we discuss everything - and nothing?
 
My problem with Suey Park is not that she's from a great big road full of Billy Bragg style houses in an area of Chicago that might as well be another planet as far as almost all the other city residents are concerned, yet pretends to be oppressed, but that she occupies a political space that rightfully belongs to PD. Perhaps we should approach her in a comradely manner.
 
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