Urban v's the Commentariat

[J Ed]

doesn't matter, i've got a chinese mate into bellydancing and got told that it doesn't matter how "innocently ignorant" she is, and doesn't matter if shes from an ethnic minority

If you're a Chinese Orientalist does that make you an Occidentalist?

 

[frogwoman]

If you're a Chinese Orientalist does that make you an Occidentalist?

also middle eastern women's voice is the only thing that matters on this, even though none of the people telling me this were from the middle east

 

[frogwoman]

I'm also "naive" for not thinking it's a massive problem if someone doesn't know/didn't believe me if i told them that fish and chips came from jewish immigrants

for people who say that "my voice is the most important" on these matters, i've seldom encountered more blantant examples of being told what to think, what racism is, and how to react to it.

i've fell out with someone i thought was a mate over this ideology, she's told me i'm "degrading and disgusting" as well as racist and all sorts of other shit. her mate wrote a message on her wall with an article about "cultural appropriation," mentioned my name, saying that it "might help" my name was obviously spelt wrong.

really really hate this shit.

 

[frogwoman]

also maybe i need to check my privilege again but is it really such a massive problem if someone in the UK has a mohican?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

So hang on - stripping is "empowering" but belly dancing is racist?

 

[J Ed]

I'm also "naive" for not thinking it's a massive problem if someone doesn't know/didn't believe me if i told them that fish and chips came from jewish immigrants

for people who say that "my voice is the most important" on these matters, i've seldom encountered more blantant examples of being told what to think, what racism is, and how to react to it.

i've fell out with someone i thought was a mate over this ideology, she's told me i'm "degrading and disgusting" as well as racist and all sorts of other shit. her mate wrote a message on her wall with an article about "cultural appropriation," mentioned my name, saying that it "might help" my name was obviously spelt wrong.

really really hate this shit.

Where do you find these people? :/

 

[Idris2002]

Where do you find these people? :/

America.

It's American calvinism at work - build up your cred by public signs that you are one of the elect.

 

[DotCommunist]

also maybe i need to check my privilege again but is it really such a massive problem if someone in the UK has a mohican?

proud punk tradition shorely? fauxhicans like what beckham had once are just not on though

 

[Balbi]

proud punk tradition shorely? fauxhicans like what beckham had once are just not on though

Punks are all screwdriver racists though in this worldview.

 

[J Ed]

America.

It's American calvinism at work - build up your cred by public signs that you are one of the elect.

We are all a little bit racism (except for me cos I said it first)

 

[rekil]

proud punk tradition shorely? fauxhicans like what beckham had once are just not on though

The Filthy 13 started it.



De Niro's mohawk in Taxi Driver was based on its use in 'Nam according to Scorsese. It was a way of saying "don't fuck with me, i'm proper mental" or something like that. Then the postcard punks came along, and now it's standard for middle managers everywhere.

 

[Idris2002]

We are all a little bit racism (except for me cos I said it first)

They'll do it anywhere over anything. Look at this remarkable bullshit:

Now: Tiffany Austin, as you can see in this video, is a reasonably fit but by no means intimidating person. This entire incident is brimming over with absurdity. I would be tempted to dismiss this story as unlikely, if it were not perfectly in line with Planet Fitness's entire corporate mission statement: "No Gymtimidation. No Lunks." This is a gym that specifically bans intense exercise. This is a gym that installs an actual alarm that may be pressed if someone is perceived to be working out too hard. This is a gym that once called the police on a customer who was "grunting" while squatting 500 pounds.

If you squat 500 pounds you may make any god damn sound that you wish.

http://gawker.com/burn-planet-fitness-to-the-ground-1548050224

 

[frogwoman]

Where do you find these people? :/

Oxford

 

[frogwoman]

proud punk tradition shorely? fauxhicans like what beckham had once are just not on though

Apparently it's degrading to native americans?

but didn't many of the original punks have quite a proud record of fighting against racism and fascism?

 

[frogwoman]

given all the problems that native americans face with racism is someone with a mohican on the other side of the atlantic really one of them?

 

[J Ed]

given all the problems that native americans face with racism is someone with a mohican on the other side of the atlantic really one of them?

Then when someone comes along who tries to help the indigenous peoples of the Americas like Hugo Chavez or Evo Morales it's all #SOSvenezeuala #pray4venezuela #weareallposhorightwingparamilitaries

 

[J Ed]

Maduro is missing a real trick, has he thought about sending Leopoldo López a tweet asking him to check his privilege? Tweets like that dismantle barricades.

 

[captainmission]

given all the problems that native americans face with racism is someone with a mohican on the other side of the atlantic really one of them?

If the intersectional structural understanding of racism only extends as far as making a tumblr of racist halloween costumes, or some ahistoric white supremacy, then why not? It certainly makes for a more catchy tweet.

 

[rekil]

The novara people were enthusing about the greens recently I think. They had Bennett on their wireless show. Have they learned nothing from the LibDem fiasco?

 

[Wilf]

They'll do it anywhere over anything. Look at this remarkable bullshit:

"This is a gym that once called the police on a customer who was "grunting" while squatting 500 pounds."

The intersectionalist gym. Maybe they should apply these ideas to other sports: anti-oppressive boxing, constructive karate, inclusive Iron Man...

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Calling the cops weirdness aside, I find it hard to get particularly outraged about the existence of a gym aimed at unfit and/or corpulent people who don't want to be faced with rows of grunting muscle bound types while they are plodding along on their treadmills. Not my cup of tea, but hardly an atrocity either.

 

[J Ed]

More Laurie Penny erasing class privilege with generational war shit http://www.newstatesman.com/cultura...baby-boomers-left-society-worse-they-found-it

 

[butchersapron]

More Laurie Penny erasing class privilege with generational war shit http://www.newstatesman.com/cultura...baby-boomers-left-society-worse-they-found-it

Sometimes, i feel i can't go on. Then i read this.

 

[Belushi]

More Laurie Penny erasing class privilege with generational war shit http://www.newstatesman.com/cultural-capital/2014/03/ns-debate-house-believes-baby-boomers-left-society-worse-they-found-it

That's a meme I keep seeing on right wing websites; its the babyboomers fault not capitalism.

 

[Sue]

The Filthy 13 started it.

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De Niro's mohawk in Taxi Driver was based on its use in 'Nam according to Scorsese. It was a way of saying "don't fuck with me, i'm proper mental" or something like that. Then the postcard punks came along, and now it's standard for middle managers everywhere.

American paratroopers used to do the mohawk hairdo as a solidarity thing. Lots of pictures by Robert Capa -- who parachuted with them behind enemy lines in WW2 -- of this.

 

[Sue]

Oxford

Plenty of people in Oxford who're not like that. In fact during my time in Oxford -- seven years living there, five more when I was there a lot -- only actually came across people like that a couple of times. (A memorable occasion being when a massive argument ensued at a party I was at about whether feminists should shave their legs. When I pointed out there were many more important issues to worry about, it didn't go down at all well. )

 

[weepiper]

'sharpest young political thinkers'.

Or at least, the sharpest young political thinkers that went to private school and know the right people to get asked to appear at this kind of shit.

 

[Bakunin]

American paratroopers used to do the mohawk hairdo as a solidarity thing. Lots of pictures by Robert Capa -- who parachuted with them behind enemy lines in WW2 -- of this.

Correct. They also often applied their camouflage cream as though it was war paint. Instead of simply covering their hands and faces they'd apply it in stripes like this member of the 101st Airborne Division (AKA 'The Screaming Eagles') photographed just before taking off to jump on D Day:

 

[Pickman's model]

'sharpest young political thinkers'.

Or at least, the sharpest young political thinkers that went to private school and know the right people to get asked to appear at this kind of shit.

the word they're looking for begins with sh... and ends with ...est but they've the middle letters wrong

 

[frogwoman]

Plenty of people in Oxford who're not like that. In fact during my time in Oxford -- seven years living there, five more when I was there a lot -- only actually came across people like that a couple of times. (A memorable occasion being when a massive argument ensued at a party I was at about whether feminists should shave their legs. When I pointed out there were many more important issues to worry about, it didn't go down at all well. )

I met these guys through anti cuts groups.