Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
At least 8 civilian people were killed by Russian rocket strike in Slovyansk (Eastern Ukraine) this afternoon (14/04/23). Several injured.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
A two-year old amongst the dead. The Slovyansk attack suspected to be a S300 air defence missile again, which have poor accuracy (about 100m radius of target?), using them on targets (if there even was one) in built-up areas is shitty. They still have a lot of these left, but fewer accurate long range munitions. Presume since they’re air defence missiles that they are quick too, so harder to intercept. Shame those organising the targeting and launching of these from within Russia or Belarus will likely never face justice.
Cid
Proper break this time
Hmm, wonder which is the more accurate translation of 'likvidovano'.
strung out
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Yep. Fingers crossed some of the leaked info will encourage those in charge to give Ukraine more weapons to enable them to kick the Russians out for good.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Those "in charge" already have this information, so the leak will make no difference to anything.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You've been reading spymaster's book on arithmetic I suspect
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
There isn’t really much in the information we’ve seen so far that wasn’t already known, in a broad sense (though plenty of finer strategic details etc). Quite a lot missing in terms of what weapons have been supplied - stuff already seen in the country that isn’t detailed. The US right are making a big deal about there being ‘boots on the ground’, but this totals 29 people which will include embassy security, people there to verify weapons deliveries etc, so no big gotcha at all. Idiots on Twitter going on about it exposing government ‘lies’ haven’t been able to come up with any when challenged to do so.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Leaked documents reveal “War is bad” shock
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Balanced article on Ukraine's response to the leaks
Leaks show US is underestimating us again, Ukrainian officials fume
Kyiv knows that some in Washington are rooting for a deal, but a Ukrainian commander insists the US does not have “all the information.”
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
Well it's never good
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Former senior diplomats urge west to ‘go all in’ on military support for Ukraine
Group also made up of former high-level military advisers say ‘actions still fail to match the rhetoric’
Warmongers advise more support for faltering Ukrainian forces.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
If only the warmongers had armed Ireland against perfidious Albion
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How easily the howth gun-running forgotten - and remember the aud
TopCat
Putin fanboy
It’s fair comment. I would not have complained.
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
What are they trying to achieve ww3?Former senior diplomats urge west to ‘go all in’ on military support for Ukraine
Group also made up of former high-level military advisers say ‘actions still fail to match the rhetoric’www.theguardian.com
Warmongers advise more support for faltering Ukrainian forces.
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Starry Wisdom
of course not, we all know ww3 takes off in 2025
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Quite the reverse. It seems clear that rogue states that invade their neighbours for conquest need to be reined in precisely to avoid global war. Russia being put in their place greatly reduces the chance of China or North Korea getting funny notions and that's where the real sparks will fly. No-one is going to nuke anyone over a few million acres that's mostly swamp and mud for half the year where 90% of the people that live there have left already.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'm by no means persuaded that's the case, the russians have a proud record over the centuries - the russian troops in paris in 1814, for example, hadn't flown in to charles de gaulle. or orly.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
I'll be up there with you, the next time the US invades someone to steal their land and deport their citizens.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
too late, my edit beat you
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Starry Wisdom
Thank you for so gracefully conceding the pointtoo late, my edit beat you
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
If we go from 1939 instead, then the USSR annexed in their entirety 4 sovereign states, annexed parts of 6 others, occupied for varying lengths of time all or part of another 7, invaded 4 directly and was militarily involved in at least one other war. Indirectly the USSR was involved in supporting participants in wars and civil wars all over the globe, in a similar way to the USA, in some cases with a degree of moral high ground, in others not. Since the fall of the USSR, Russia has sent troops and paramilitaries into several of its neighbours as well as other hostile actions (e.g cyber attacks, poisonings). Wagner mercenaries have been involved in numerous conflicts, in Africa in particular.
Russia May not be as bad as the USA in total, but they're hardly a shining example of bunch of peaceniks.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Strawman. What on earth does it have to do with Russia invading Ukraine?
I'd also point out that if the US had a civil war tomorrow, China would simply step up to fill the gap, the same way that the US did when Britain waned. Things get a bit less global when you go back further than that, but certainly the Spanish gave it a go in Europe before then. Someone is going to be the Big Bad and play World Policeman. Small countries were much, much worse off during the Cold War because you had two countries playing copper, so you had double the chance of your local rebels getting a fat cheque and destabilising the country. So long as they're not total monsters (you know, actual Nazis), there is some good out of there being a single superpower.
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