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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

A two-year old amongst the dead. The Slovyansk attack suspected to be a S300 air defence missile again, which have poor accuracy (about 100m radius of target?), using them on targets (if there even was one) in built-up areas is shitty. They still have a lot of these left, but fewer accurate long range munitions. Presume since they’re air defence missiles that they are quick too, so harder to intercept. Shame those organising the targeting and launching of these from within Russia or Belarus will likely never face justice.
 
I’m glad the info was leaked. It might bring a few people to their senses. Relying for months on bullshit prop is good for no one.

There isn’t really much in the information we’ve seen so far that wasn’t already known, in a broad sense (though plenty of finer strategic details etc). Quite a lot missing in terms of what weapons have been supplied - stuff already seen in the country that isn’t detailed. The US right are making a big deal about there being ‘boots on the ground’, but this totals 29 people which will include embassy security, people there to verify weapons deliveries etc, so no big gotcha at all. Idiots on Twitter going on about it exposing government ‘lies’ haven’t been able to come up with any when challenged to do so.
 
Well the leaked US assessment of Ukraine’s battle readiness and chances of success in a spring offensive was not a small thing.

If the assessment is correct then the Ukrainians have little chance of winning back significant ground.
 
Well the leaked US assessment of Ukraine’s battle readiness and chances of success in a spring offensive was not a small thing.

If the assessment is correct then the Ukrainians have little chance of winning back significant ground.
Balanced article on Ukraine's response to the leaks

 
What are they trying to achieve ww3?
Quite the reverse. It seems clear that rogue states that invade their neighbours for conquest need to be reined in precisely to avoid global war. Russia being put in their place greatly reduces the chance of China or North Korea getting funny notions and that's where the real sparks will fly. No-one is going to nuke anyone over a few million acres that's mostly swamp and mud for half the year where 90% of the people that live there have left already.
 
Quite the reverse. It seems clear that rogue states that invade their neighbours for conquest need to be reined in precisely to avoid global war. Russia being put in their place greatly reduces the chance of China or North Korea getting funny notions and that's where the real sparks will fly. No-one is going to nuke anyone over a few million acres that's mostly swamp and mud for half the year where 90% of the people that live there have left already.
we best rein the USA in then, they've invaded far more countries than Russia/USSR has since 1945.
 
we best rein the USA in then, they've invaded far more countries than Russia has.
i'm by no means persuaded that's the case, the russians have a proud record over the centuries - the russian troops in paris in 1814, for example, hadn't flown in to charles de gaulle. or orly.
 
I'll be up there with you, the next time the US invades someone to steal their land and deport their citizens.
Sorry, you are of course quite right, there are no issues with entrusting the US to build up their arms supply and being the world policeman. Cos life is really really simplistic.
 
we best rein the USA in then, they've invaded far more countries than Russia/USSR has since 1945.
If we go from 1939 instead, then the USSR annexed in their entirety 4 sovereign states, annexed parts of 6 others, occupied for varying lengths of time all or part of another 7, invaded 4 directly and was militarily involved in at least one other war. Indirectly the USSR was involved in supporting participants in wars and civil wars all over the globe, in a similar way to the USA, in some cases with a degree of moral high ground, in others not. Since the fall of the USSR, Russia has sent troops and paramilitaries into several of its neighbours as well as other hostile actions (e.g cyber attacks, poisonings). Wagner mercenaries have been involved in numerous conflicts, in Africa in particular.

Russia May not be as bad as the USA in total, but they're hardly a shining example of bunch of peaceniks.
 
Sorry, you are of course quite right, there are no issues with entrusting the US to build up their arms supply and being the world policeman. Cos life is really really simplistic.
Strawman. What on earth does it have to do with Russia invading Ukraine?

I'd also point out that if the US had a civil war tomorrow, China would simply step up to fill the gap, the same way that the US did when Britain waned. Things get a bit less global when you go back further than that, but certainly the Spanish gave it a go in Europe before then. Someone is going to be the Big Bad and play World Policeman. Small countries were much, much worse off during the Cold War because you had two countries playing copper, so you had double the chance of your local rebels getting a fat cheque and destabilising the country. So long as they're not total monsters (you know, actual Nazis), there is some good out of there being a single superpower.
 
Strawman. What on earth does it have to do with Russia invading Ukraine?

I'd also point out that if the US had a civil war tomorrow, China would simply step up to fill the gap, the same way that the US did when Britain waned. Things get a bit less global when you go back further than that, but certainly the Spanish gave it a go in Europe before then. Someone is going to be the Big Bad and play World Policeman. Small countries were much, much worse off during the Cold War because you had two countries playing copper, so you had double the chance of your local rebels getting a fat cheque and destabilising the country. So long as they're not total monsters (you know, actual Nazis), there is some good out of there being a single superpower.
I don't think China would tbh, maybe you think they'd find it easy to project force thousands of miles - I'm not so sure they would, being as they don't have a network of foreign bases unlike the Americans, British and French.
 
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