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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

From today's Grauniad:
Nearly seven million children in Ukraine, or almost every child in the country, have been put at “desperate risk” as a result of continued attacks on Ukrainian critical energy infrastructure, the UN’s children agency has warned. Without sustained access to electricity, children in Ukraine are “facing a bleak winter huddled in the cold and the dark” with temperatures of below -20C, Unicef said. Many schools in the country have been destroyed or damaged by missile attacks, leaving children unable to continue the online learning opportunities which, for many, is their only access to education, it said.

Russian rocket launchers hit Kherson again today. Also, some nasty stuff been found there, grim as fuck. Further war crimes.

There's been another prisoner swap - 64 Ukrainian soldiers and one American, not sure how many Russians in exchange. (No, I don't know the personal politics of any of the returned Ukrainians in this particular episode of the genocidal Russian invasion.)
 
From today's Grauniad:


Russian rocket launchers hit Kherson again today. Also, some nasty stuff been found there, grim as fuck. Further war crimes.

There's been another prisoner swap - 64 Ukrainian soldiers and one American, not sure how many Russians in exchange. (No, I don't know the personal politics of any of the returned Ukrainians in this particular episode of the genocidal Russian invasion.)
64 plus 4 dead and one American citizen for 27 Russian soldiers.
 
Yes I take that point , however, Isn't the article in The Times talking about a green light to the use of Ukraine made/modified drones though? There is speculation later in the article about American long range missiles but the headline is focussed on Ukranian drones.

I appreciate that you may not have read the article so attached below

Not got access to the article but is it to do with US target spotting being an essential part of any strike? That would need them on board.
 
Not got access to the article but is it to do with US target spotting being an essential part of any strike? That would need them on board.
Doesn't mention it but could be a factor?

Here's the article

The Pentagon has given a tacit endorsement of Ukraine’s long-range attacks on targets inside Russia after President Putin’s multiple missile strikes against Kyiv’s critical infrastructure.
Since daily assaults on civilians began in October, the Pentagon has revised its threat assessment of the war in Ukraine. Crucially, this includes new judgments about whether arms shipments to Kyiv might lead to a military confrontation between Russia and Nato.
This represents a significant development in the nine-month war between Ukraine and Russia, with Washington now likelier to supply Kyiv with longer-range weapons.

“We’re still using the same escalatory calculations but the fear of escalation has changed since the beginning,” a US defence source told The Times. “It’s different now. This is because the calculus of war has changed as a result of the suffering and brutality the Ukrainians are being subjected to by the Russians.”

Washington is now less concerned that new long-range strikes inside Russia could lead to a dramatic escalation. Moscow’s revenge attacks have to date all involved conventional missile strikes against civilian targets. Previously, the Pentagon was warier of Ukraine attacking Russia because it feared the Kremlin would retaliate either with tactical nuclear weapons or by targeting neighbouring Nato nations.
However, Washington does not want to be seen publicly giving the green light to Kyiv attacking Russian soil. Its position on Ukraine’s attacks inside Russia was defined this week by Antony Blinken, the secretary of state, who said: “We have neither encouraged nor enabled the Ukrainians to strike inside of Russia.”
However, a US defence source said: “We’re not saying to Kyiv, ‘Don’t strike the Russians [in Russia or Crimea]’. We can’t tell them what to do. It’s up to them how they use their weapons. But when they use the weapons we have supplied, the only thing we insist on is that the Ukrainian military conform to the international laws of war and to the Geneva conventions.

“They are the only limitations but that includes no targeting of Russian families and no assassinations. As far as we’re concerned, Ukraine has been in compliance.”
Within these limited constraints laid down by the Pentagon, Kyiv is now adopting a more aggressive, more persistent offensive against targets inside Russia. Ukraine has been careful to use its own drones, not US-supplied weapons, to carry out the strikes. The drones, based on Soviet Tupolev TU-141 Strizh surveillance systems developed in the 1970s, have been reprogrammed to give them longer range and a sizeable munition for launching at low altitude.
The modified TU-141s were deployed this week in three raids against military bases 300 miles inside the Russian border and on fuel tanks about 80 miles across the Ukrainian border, in each case evading air defences. The drones can fly at 600mph at low altitude, like cruise missiles.
Ukraine and America are playing a careful game over these strikes, which have added a bold new ingredient to drone warfare in the nine months since the Russian invasion. The Pentagon refuses to make any public statements about the attacks, while Kyiv has declined to claim responsibility.

If the US decides to supply Ukraine with longer-range weapons capable of striking deeper into Russia, the fear of potential escalation could increase dramatically. But Pentagon officials have made it clear that requests from Kyiv for longer-range US weapons, including rockets and fighter bombers which could be used for even more effective strikes inside Russia or occupied Crimea, are being seriously considered.
“Nothing is off the table,” a senior US defence official said.
Weapons high on Kyiv’s wish-list include the army tactical missile system (ATACMS), which has a range of 190 miles and would be devastatingly effective if used in deep-penetration raids within Russia.
The Pentagon, in discussions with Nato allies, has until now deferred the decision on whether to offer the hardware and US defence sources would not be drawn on a report in the Wall Street Journal claiming the M142 high-mobility artillery rocket system (HIMARS) that has been operating in Ukraine for several months had been modified to prevent it firing ATACMS.

The drone Ukraine wants more than any other is the American MQ-1C Gray Eagle, which has a range of 250 miles, is armed with four Hellfire missiles or eight Stinger missiles, can remain airborne for more than 24 hours and is equipped with sophisticated reconnaissance systems.
Eric Edelman, who was a top policy specialist at the Pentagon and worked with the state department as ambassador to Finland and Turkey, believes the delay in supplying such weapon systems is no longer sustainable.
“The administration is excessively self-deterred by the prospect of an alleged escalatory spiral which is largely illusory,” he said. “The best thing for all concerned is for the Ukrainians to be able to win as quickly as possible. Hence it makes sense to give them ATACMS and Gray Eagles and help them to put together a package of main battle tanks as well.”
When the Russian invasion began on February 24, US policy on arming Ukraine was based on two key principles: that the American weapons supplied would not be used to attack Russia itself; and the choice of equipment would be conditional on the need to avoid war between Nato and Russia. The objective was to arm Ukraine to defend itself against an illegal assault on its sovereignty, not for Nato to confront Russia. But those early sensitivities have all but vanished because of Russia’s attacks on civilians and less anxiety about provoking the Kremlin.
“Unlike at the beginning, we are now prepared to give a lot more detail about the shipments,” one US defence source said.
For example, the first shipment included man-portable air defence systems. It was only later that the state department confirmed they were Stingers.
“We were initially worried about spelling out that we were supplying Stingers because of the scar tissue left from our supply of these weapons to the Mujahideen against the Russians in Afghanistan,” the defence source said.
 
interesting bit in that article is this bit, which answers what I've been asking - what would a best case Ukrainian advance into occupied territory look like:

"The Ukrainian military clearly has a plan to push south, isolating the peninsula, and cutting off Russian supply lines, ideally by coming down from the east side of the Dnipro River, and then reaching the dam that supplies 85% of Crimea’s fresh water."

i take that to mean here:
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that's suggesting the best case for Ukraine military plans

+ however +


"But talk of an offensive kicking Russia’s 30,000 troops out of Crimea unnerves the US military. General Mark Milley, chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said “the probability of that happening any time soon is not high, militarily”. Privately, Ukrainian diplomats acknowledge that fear of escalation in Washington and European capitals is what holds back the supply of long-range artillery weapons needed to finish the job, including the capture of Crimea."

...yes, it would be a massive escalation - never mind Crimea though, just "isolating the peninsula, and cutting off Russian supply lines" would very likely create a huge and desperate reaction from Moscow - including the isolated troops on the ground - a make or break moment, and Putin is clearly someone who is much more likely to escalate rather than stand down and admit defeat on that.

So this seems to be the next goal-phase of the war from Ukraine's point of view.....is it a good idea? Sounds disastrous to me
 
Crimea is also connected to Russia via that bridge that was partially blown up and partially repaired. So cutting off supply lines via the occupied part of Ukraine wouldn't actually isolate Crimea would it? Or at least, not any more than it was isolated between 2014 & 2021.
 
Isolate Crimea, cut off the water again, fortify the (very few) routes on to the peninsula from Kherson and settle down, have a breather and so on. Then wipe out the Kerch Bridge.
 
Last line is especially notable.

"Asked what victory looks like, General Syrsky repeats the maximalist mantra of his president, Volodymyr Zelensky. “We’ve won when the enemy is destroyed and we are standing on our borders,” he says. His sobering assessment of the current predicament suggests that he isn’t convinced that will happen any time soon. For the immediate future Ukraine will offer what he describes as “active defence”. But the commander’s record suggests that he may have something more ambitious up his sleeve. He remains coy. “All I will say is we are studying the enemy closely. And every poison has an antidote.”"


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Last line is especially notable.

"Asked what victory looks like, General Syrsky repeats the maximalist mantra of his president, Volodymyr Zelensky. “We’ve won when the enemy is destroyed and we are standing on our borders,” he says. His sobering assessment of the current predicament suggests that he isn’t convinced that will happen any time soon. For the immediate future Ukraine will offer what he describes as “active defence”. But the commander’s record suggests that he may have something more ambitious up his sleeve. He remains coy. “All I will say is we are studying the enemy closely. And every poison has an antidote.”"


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From today's Grauniad:


Russian rocket launchers hit Kherson again today. Also, some nasty stuff been found there, grim as fuck. Further war crimes.

There's been another prisoner swap - 64 Ukrainian soldiers and one American, not sure how many Russians in exchange. (No, I don't know the personal politics of any of the returned Ukrainians in this particular episode of the genocidal Russian invasion.)

Some footage of the released POWs here, handing out the kids' drawings was a nice touch.
 
What happened to that bloke on Twitter , something like a Swedish racing driver, who was for some reason receiving confidential info from Russia? Or am I imagining things?
easy done, for some reason i get emails off the dsei organisers and loads of other arms fairs - you get onto one mailing list, then they sell the info and you get email from others you never signed up for
 
I know it’s been said many times but this destruction of utilities in civilian areas really is a despicable war crime.
entirely so. but one of the things about russia is how putin follows american precedents. at the time of the iraq war i'm sure lots of people pointed out that what the americans were doing was a war crime, and that their actions would be followed by other countries. and here we are, the trail they blazed is being followed. and just as george w bush and tony blair never faced the war crimes trial they so richly deserved neither, i suspect, will putin.
 
I know it’s been said many times but this destruction of utilities in civilian areas really is a despicable war crime.
I despair of Putin and the Russian high command ever being held accountable for these offences. And all the other ones. I don't think they should hang, but they should definitely spend the rest of their miserable lives in widely-dispersed prisons.
 
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