Raheem
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Think it is, but the Russian language version has markedly different content to the English one.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Turkey's a bit of a special case. But even the EE states the joined quickest took ten years to actually do it from first formal moves.
well, that would be one of the areas up for discussion, but I'd expect them to just do whatever the Ukrainian state does, which would almost definitely be the entire country.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
It's not happening anytime in the short to medium term, it's just a bit of theatre, which is probably not very helpful ATM, it just gives an excuse to Putin to keep banging on about the EU advancement to the east.
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Ok. I can't read Russian at all, I just thought the pictures looked different to what you might expect from pro-Putin stuff.
And of course a lot of Russians can read at least some English.
platinumsage
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
This is a thread I think broadly sums up what's happened so far, what some of the consequences of that might be.
I think it's worth reading - nice and nuanced, and plenty of detail.
Bugger, platinumsage got there first!
I think it's worth reading - nice and nuanced, and plenty of detail.
Bugger, platinumsage got there first!
Cid
Proper break this time
Ukranian Library Association said:
From their fb page:
Українська бібліотечна асоціація/Ukrainian Library Association
Українська бібліотечна асоціація/Ukrainian Library Association. 17,724 likes · 481 talking about this. Незалежна всеукраїнська громадська організація, яка об'єднує фахівців та прихильників бібліотек.
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Raheem
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I'm only reading through Google translate, and I don't know how it compares to other Russian news sources, but it is not just a Russian version of the English.
The top two stories currently are a speech by a Russian minister saying that Germany's support for Ukraine is evidence that it never fully stopped being Nazi (presented without criticism) and a poll showing overwhelming Russian support for the "special operation".
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Thanks. I couldn't use that. Shit. Still I hope at least some Russians can access the English language version, since it's definitely not toeing the party line.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Ukraine's navy has confirmed the Snake Island "go fuck yourself" border guards were captured and are still alive - the navy says Russia also captured a civilian ship that went to the island on a humanitarian mission.
www.euronews.com
Snake Island border guards are alive and well, says Ukrainian navy
The 13 border guards were initially reported dead after refusing to surrender to Russian forces and swearing at them.
www.euronews.com
ska invita
back on the other side
related to the discussion a page or two back
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I think it means artillery used in a group as part of some tactical plan.
Cid
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From a scan of wiki artillery can be measured in munitions delivered rather than the actual platform.
weltweit
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I am not sure speeding or saying you are speeding Ukraine's EU membership or application for EU membership sends a clever message to Putin. The EU doesn't even have an army, the French are the only ones with Nukes, this move may just further back Putin into a corner which could be dangerous.
Raheem
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It's a public statement to underline Ukraine's negotiating position. "Don't expect to be negotiating over our relationship to the EU, that is not part of what is under discussion."
RileyOBlimey
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weltweit
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Well he isn't holding court at the end of the table he met the French president at, the recent tables are different and might be at a different location.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Sorry, nerd speak.
As agricola says it's about the use of artillery, everything from heavy mortars, through guns, to rockets - both massed and much longer ranged stuff.
The function is twofold - the preparation of the battlefield, wrecking the other guys shit so he falls over when your tanks and infantry sneeze at him, and responding to enemy attacks with vast firepower.
It has somewhat expanded as terminology to include air attacks - so that attack helicopters count as 'fires' for example - or naval gunfire, and missile attacks. This is primarily due to a tech/doctrine driven change in philosophy and practice called 'Joint Fires' where the ability to rapidly communicate and target has meant that the old dividing lines between what the different sources of fires - organic, attached artillery, divisional/corps artillery, attack helicopters, fast jets, surface to surface missiles etc.. did has been largely erased. What it means in practice is that when Private Bloggs screams for fire support onto the woodline 400m to his north he might get some of his Battalion mortars, 20 seconds worth of Fire for Effect from Divisional artillery 20 miles away before they switch to something else, a pair of 500lb bombs from a passing F-16 - he doesn't care where it comes from, all he wants is huge amounts of flash and bang and for his attackers to dissolve in greasy clouds of black smoke.
Indeliblelink
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EU list of people added to the sanctions list and why - starts page4
Cid
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It does have a bit of Bond villain hyperbole to it... Secret lair in the Urals. No idea of the truth of it, though he presumably does have them, and the fact he hasn't made a show of 'standing in front of distinctive Kremlin thing' may indicate he's elsewhere.
Tbf we have all been keeping 2m+ distances for the last 2 years. Well technically anyway.
Supine
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