Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Ax^]

It doesn't have to take many years if the EU don't want it to and the move will not be lost on Putin.

oh really super power who started a war is now worried about what happens if he loses

whataboutism hello

 

[platinumsage]

Fucking more repeats than the BBC, RileyOBlimey & platinumsage sort yourselves out.

I edited that 12 minutes before you quoted it, so you must have pasted it back in for effect.

There’s far more irrelevant crap posted on this thread than a couple of on-topic pearroasts.

I reckon it would be better if there were more threads on the topic instead of one fast-moving one with people talking across each other, but what do I know.

 

[Dogsauce]

this is a bit weird,

That was reportedly something the Israelis used to do, but could just be an urban myth. Not a good look anyway.

 

[Idris2002]

no problem, tbh there's loads i don't know and there's others here that have spent more time in russia/ukraine than i have Idris2002 for instance

It's 16 years since I was last in Russia, and what I saw wasn't really representative!

 

[8ball]

Putin must know that his reputation will never recover now, not just internationally but at home too, which is scary. What actually has he got left to loose.

Well, depending on what arrangements he has made he's still a multi-billionaire..

 

[Carl Steele]

oh really super power who started a war is now worried about what happens if he loses

whataboutism hello

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[SpookyFrank]

you think al jazeera should alter their reporting, to be more anti putin, because russia went to war with chechnya? should they just look the other way? strange attitude.

I reckon the Qatari state organ is probably more concerned with defending oligarchy than Islam tbh.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That was reportedly something the Israelis used to do, but could just be an urban myth. Not a good look anyway.

Seems like something I might do if I really wanted my gun to catch fire while I was firing it.

 

[Ax^]

What on earth are you talking about?

so Putin now in a bunker because if he loses the 5 day old war for ukraine because at somepoint in the future they might join the eu

also the eu won't start ww3 so why would they sign them in as they don't have a standing army

 

[Carl Steele]

so Putin now in a bunker because if he loses the 5 day old war for ukraine because at somepoint in the future they might join the eu

also the eu won't start ww3 so why would they sign them in

The EU is about to fast track Ukranian membership. They are starting the process tomorrow.

 

[kebabking]

have you not seen the stuff about how many soldiers' families and even soldiers themselves were unaware they were even there for a war?

I'm in two minds about this stuff - playing the ignorant, innocent conscript who doesn't know where they are or why they are meant to be fighting is an excellent way of avoiding being executed in the street by people who hate and fear you because you've invaded their country.

However, the Russian army is not an organisation that believes in empowering it's employees with information - maps are 'Officers only' documents in mainstream units, generally treating soldiers like shit and telling them nothing is a popular sport.

There were plenty of Argentine conscripts in the Falklands who genuinely didn't know they were in the Falklands until they walked through Stanley, and then didn't have a clue where they were once they were deployed into their fighting positions...

 

[Ax^]

cool even if they rush it


Welcome the freshmen of 2030..

 

[cupid_stunt]

The EU is about to fast track Ukranian membership. They are starting the process tomorrow.

It will still takes years, it is certainly not going to happen in the short term.

 

[Carl Steele]

It will still takes years, it is certainly not going to happen in the short term.

Apparently they can grant candidate status, the timescale will be clearer later this week, but I don't think it will take years, it's a statement of intent.

 

[Ax^]

it will take years and will be dependant on the outcome of putins little boarder war



HTH

 

[Ax^]

da fuck

hehe got to love russias over comitment to owning the narative

 

[nogojones]

Would it kill people to check the last few pages before they post what is obviously a popular meme?

e2a: well that was poorly phrased

And she's a Russian auto engineer/celeb who first posted that vid a few months back. Sadly its like Jeremy Clarkson driving a tank.

 

[Carl Steele]

From the Guardian thread:

The European parliament will adopt a resolution on Tuesday calling on EU institutions to work towards granting EU candidate status to Ukraine and in the meantime to continue to work towards integration into the EU single market, the Guardian’s Daniel Boffey writes.

The call from MEPs follows images from Kyiv of president Volodymyr Zelenskiy signing a formal letter of application for EU membership.

An EU official has explained the process. The letter of application is written to the president of the council of the EU which is currently held by France.

Member states, the European parliament and national parliaments are then informed of the application by the council.

A meeting of the 27 EU affairs ministers, known as the general affairs council, needs to take a decision to formally seek the European Commission’s opinion on the application.

It would normally take 15 to 18 months for the commission to issue its opinion, although that period could be significantly shortened “depending on the political considerations”, the official said.

There is a pre-accession period of varying length, during which the candidate country adapts its institutions, standards and infrastructure to enable it to meet its obligations as a member state. The accession process involves compliance with the accession criteria including adoption and implementation of EU law.

 

[Cid]

And she's a Russian auto engineer/celeb who first posted that vid a few months back. Sadly its like Jeremy Clarkson driving a tank.

Yeah, I had a minor dig too... She did reup it to tiktok yesterday, just unclear what exactly the motivation behind that is. I mean it had 7m ish views as I recall, which is 10-20 times her other tiktoks... But perhaps harsh to assume she just did it for the likes.

 

[Ax^]

so the are bombing kiev and they should hold out for a year to see if we let them in

 

[cupid_stunt]

Apparently they can grant candidate status, the timescale will be clearer later this week, but I don't think it will take years, it's a statement of intent.

If you think the EU is going to approve Ukraine's membership whilst there's a war going on, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[Ax^]

is Blaming nato not working anymore

is it face mask, LGBTQW rights or the EU

 

[spitfire]

And she's a Russian auto engineer/celeb who first posted that vid a few months back. Sadly its like Jeremy Clarkson driving a tank.

Ah.

 

[Carl Steele]

If you think the EU is going to approve Ukraine's membership whilst there's a war going on, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Sorry I asked.

 

[Cid]

From the Guardian thread:

The European parliament will adopt a resolution on Tuesday calling on EU institutions to work towards granting EU candidate status to Ukraine and in the meantime to continue to work towards integration into the EU single market, the Guardian’s Daniel Boffey writes.

The call from MEPs follows images from Kyiv of president Volodymyr Zelenskiy signing a formal letter of application for EU membership.

An EU official has explained the process. The letter of application is written to the president of the council of the EU which is currently held by France.

Member states, the European parliament and national parliaments are then informed of the application by the council.

A meeting of the 27 EU affairs ministers, known as the general affairs council, needs to take a decision to formally seek the European Commission’s opinion on the application.

It would normally take 15 to 18 months for the commission to issue its opinion, although that period could be significantly shortened “depending on the political considerations”, the official said.

There is a pre-accession period of varying length, during which the candidate country adapts its institutions, standards and infrastructure to enable it to meet its obligations as a member state. The accession process involves compliance with the accession criteria including adoption and implementation of EU law.

Turkey has been a candidate since 1999.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Sorry I asked.

No need to be sorry, you got the answer.

 

[Dystopiary]

Does anybody know if the Moscow Times is (still) accessible to ordinary people in Russia?
It's got plenty of pieces online right now that are anti- the war on Ukraine. In English.
Whether the Russian language versions are much different I don't know, but when I switched to Russian there were pictures of an attacked Ukraine, and people who looked like anti-war protestors.
Thinking about what you were saying bimble.

eta - Moscow Times website

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

From the Guardian thread:

The European parliament will adopt a resolution on Tuesday calling on EU institutions to work towards granting EU candidate status to Ukraine and in the meantime to continue to work towards integration into the EU single market, the Guardian’s Daniel Boffey writes.

The call from MEPs follows images from Kyiv of president Volodymyr Zelenskiy signing a formal letter of application for EU membership.

An EU official has explained the process. The letter of application is written to the president of the council of the EU which is currently held by France.

Member states, the European parliament and national parliaments are then informed of the application by the council.

A meeting of the 27 EU affairs ministers, known as the general affairs council, needs to take a decision to formally seek the European Commission’s opinion on the application.

It would normally take 15 to 18 months for the commission to issue its opinion, although that period could be significantly shortened “depending on the political considerations”, the official said.

There is a pre-accession period of varying length, during which the candidate country adapts its institutions, standards and infrastructure to enable it to meet its obligations as a member state. The accession process involves compliance with the accession criteria including adoption and implementation of EU law.

So years then

 

[Dystopiary]

Apparently they can grant candidate status, the timescale will be clearer later this week, but I don't think it will take years, it's a statement of intent.

I was wondering how they could do it with the current disputed status of Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk tbh.

 

[ChrisD]

I think the 1.5C ship has most likely sailed regardless, but carbon-neutral wars would certainly be a tricky logistical proposition.

How many trees would you have to plant to offset the bombing of an oil refinery.....