nogojones
spelling is overrated
The main difference is that I think Trump would struggle with the graceful dancing thing
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
nogojones
spelling is overrated
But he was in Paddington 1&2. I can't imagine him not being cast in three unless things turn very poorly for him, so its really only been stated twice.Yeah it's only been posted about 5 times.
discokermit
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why?
A380
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His heart would give up if he attempted a lift in the pasa doble. I'd go up to £25 pay to view to watch that.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
So, is he now officially cancelled, for being a former actor and owning property in London?
It's important to know these things so I can avoid lauding him inappropriately and getting cancelled myself.
It's important to know these things so I can avoid lauding him inappropriately and getting cancelled myself.
discokermit
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if the stop the war people were russian, they would be demonstrating. the people criticising stop the war, if they were russian, would be criticising the demonstrators.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
I've seen him do a slow shuffle, but not much more. Maybe he'll come into his own three pills deep?
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platinumsage
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deeyo
hurled unheard to this world.
been goin on forever though, hasn't it?
even spartacos changed into politics when he started to feel the weight of all those years in the arena - and many consider him the voice of paddington brown.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
He's a fat piece of shit who gets winded by a single flight of stairs.
elbows
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Mostly what I'm pointing out is that its a bad idea to make poorly informed judgements about what the Russians expected. Do we have brilliant sources for what the Russians expected, or do we have a concerted, unified messaging campaign to consistently claim that Russias objectives are not being met in the opening days of the war? I've repeatedly pointed out that one well placed Russian said they were told to expect the main campaign to last two weeks, and I've simply used that as a starting point for when I will allow myself to make more assumptions about how badly things are going for Russia.
The 'press release' was not a press release, it was a typical propaganda piece and we've already been through the details of what it actually said, how that twitter feed mischaracterised it, that it was written in a way that perfectly well allowed for it to be published before Kyiv and the government had fallen.
I also say the things I say because I dont find much value in threads like these if everyone is just going to parrot what we hear from the mainstream, where there has been an impressively consistent but narrow narrative about war progress so far. That doesnt mean I see any point in being contrarian for the sake of it, thats shitty and useless too, I'm just putting the questioning of the propaganda that everyone is well aware exists into practice. To what extent does that propaganda stand up to scrutiny? Its doing a reasonable job of retaining an air of credibility to it so far, but I do not intend to hype up the possibilities when even those official and mainstream lines have a built in get out clause - expectations are still being managed in such pieces via lines like 'the Ukrainians have put up a good fight so far but Russia still has numbers and various forms of superiority on its side'.
Its the same with Putin - I have not claimed that there are strong indicators that this invasion will not come to be seen as a giant mistake, a major miscalculation. But it is too early to tell, especially since unfortunately Ukraine has been seen as a major prize for decades when it comes to geopolitical games. If Russia 'wins Ukraine back' then its a win for them and a loss for the west, but of course it isnt that simple because events during the ugly tug of war over Ukraine could be used to ensure Russia suffers losses in other ways that end up leaving it weaker overall. It will probably take years for some of those aspects to play out in full, and the conflict has only been going on for a matter of days.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh i'm sick of the 'sadness in his eyes' comments
I'd say the current version of it typified by Trump & Zelensky is a bit different tbh.
Got to wonder how the dems would have done against Trump if they'd run Martin Sheen instead of Clinton...
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
whatever typically dodgey money bollocks Zelensky has done - right now he has judged that, as leader of Urkraine, his job is to stay in the capital, set an example and lead the defence of his people - despite the very high probability that it ends with his death or - at best - a prolonged incarceration at Vladimir's pleasure - (with the possibility of slow death by poisoning).
Saddam Hussein did a runner as soon as the Americans invaded.
Whislt Boris "churchill" johnson couldn't even being himself not have regular piss ups whilst the rest of us were unable to see dying relative.
Saddam Hussein did a runner as soon as the Americans invaded.
Whislt Boris "churchill" johnson couldn't even being himself not have regular piss ups whilst the rest of us were unable to see dying relative.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
What good is a ceasefire when hundreds of tanks and thousands of soldiers are just outside your capitol poised to attack? It's like having an agreement with a cobra that's coilled on the other side of the room. I imagine a ceasefire postpones the inevitable but does give the Ukrainians time to get more weapons from donating countries. The Russians are mind-bogglingly stupid on the battlefield but I think even they will figure that out.
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elbows
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Indeed, although I can at least take solace from the idea that at least this stuff plays into a story of war not being easy. I never want any conflict to seem easy, the difficulties of war should be hyped up as a deterrent to regimes indulging in them as an easy solution to a problem.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Yeah, I don't see what a ceasefire gives Russia - they have all they need, or could realistically mobilise, on Ukraine's doorstep right now - the Far East Military Discrict has been emptied to a degree not seen since 1941, there's very little left that could be put on a train from Siberia.
Capitulation, certainly, but a ceasefire in place, burning diesel and eating rations while every day the Ukrainians get more tooled up - I'm not sure what that gives Russia.
Capitulation, certainly, but a ceasefire in place, burning diesel and eating rations while every day the Ukrainians get more tooled up - I'm not sure what that gives Russia.
A380
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I do wonder, without any evidence or sources whatsoever (so fits right in on the internet...) if Putin and his planners had an assumption that Zelenskyy and his cabinet were working to the same bug out plans as they have (Seen with Ukraine's own Yanukovych) i.e once the Russian army crossed the border, leave by private jet or helicopters with a couple of pallets of 500 Euro and $100 bills for pastures new.
strung out
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Maybe it's all just a big misunderstanding, and if they just have a chance to straighten things out, everyone can just go home and forget it all happened?
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
My first reaction was that it was a trick to lure Z. into a position where he could be iced, but he wouldn't be going personally I presume.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
You have to think some expectation of a swift, decisive victory followed by withdrawal before the world had chance to respond was behind the decision to invade. At least that scenario makes sense and it does follow the recent pattern further east.
Because if anybody thought they wouldn't meet any of those objectives in the first 72 hours and would instead be suing for peace they'd have to be utterly demented to give it a go.
elbows
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Thats certainly a big reason why the press are not speaking of these talks as though there is a strong chance of them achieving something meaningful. The Ukrainian government has indicated that they dont think they will achieve much, but that they are going along with them so as not to be seen as being a barrier to peace breaking out.
That said, I dont presume to know what deals can sometimes end up being struck at such talks, and if nothing is achieved the first few times then they may still set the scene for progress later on. Any channel of communication is a start, and sometimes surprising stuff emerges.
A380
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TBF. He should have done in retrospect; would have most likely ended up in a seven star serviced villa in Dubai rather than a gallows in a shed...
gosub
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Can't see Putin caving in on Crimea at mo
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It's in part a bit of theatre though. If there are talks they kind of have to go, at the very least to show willing, or to work out what the other side might be pushed to do in certain scenarios. Or maybe just to lay it out that there's nothing they will give and face down the other side.
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A380
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Federal solution for the two regions in the East in return for not getting their cities burnt down and 5% of their young men and women killed? I like to think I wouldn't but I'd probably take that.
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