Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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The american political system is also totally broken.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
It's no worse than what came before.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
And ours. I wonder if Johnson would ever have become mayor let alone PM if it weren't for television.
yes, it's a symptom of a totally broken political system. Like I said.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong in a celeb becoming a politician. Trump is a symptom of a broken political system because of all the other shit associated with him, not because he used to be on the US version of The Apprentice. I don't know much about Zelensky, but nothing I've heard about him so far would indicate he's anything like Trump apart from the celeb thing.
I'm not really keen on the rhetoric from the US and particularly Britain (what the fuck are we going to contribute in the scheme of things apart from trying to make Johnson look Churchillian?).
I agree with all the sanctions and impressed that countries have sent arms to Ukrain and imposed no-fly zones. It's just the invective, like Starmer calling Russia the "enemy" early on annoyed me (not that Putin would ever hear it or take notice). The speak softly and carry a big stick approach seems the way to me - Putin needs a way to get out of this without losing face.
But there again I've been wrong all the way through
Just to clarify the no fly zone is for Russian air traffic over the EU. Not an NFZ over Ukraine as enforcing that would be a declaration of war against Russia.
I agree with the rest though. Maybe he'll stop at wrecking Ukraine if he can't actually get a pro Russian regeme installed in the near future. Other than that and leaving aside wishful thinking IMO about him being removed from within, how else does Putin disengage.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
A former postie being president is the symptom of a total broken political system. Best just keep it oxbridge or former banker.
I'm not sure where you're reading that in my posts. It's the failure of the oxbridge & bankers model of politics that's resulting in TV stars becoming president.
I'm sure that's exactly what Putin thinks he is
right so now I'm siding with Putin. gotcha.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Probably, but Reagan became president right at the state of neo liberalism so maybe its a feature of neo liberalism in general? A discussion for another thread perhaps.
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
More Cold War Steve
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
How many Rada deputies went to Oxbridge?
Reagan had been active in politics for decades before he became president though
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
Reports nearly 6000 arrested in Russia for antiwar protest. Each one far braver than StopTheWar Coalition.
Zelensky calling for EU membership.
www.theguardian.com
US senator says Moscow’s plans are behind schedule – as it happened
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elbows
Well-Known Member
I've only been talking about the war itself, I havent claimed that Russia expected this level of international solidarity, sanctions etc. Maybe they masively misjudged that stuff.
If the aim of mentioning the nuclear stuff is to deter countries from going further in specific ways, then why wait? You certainly dont want to wait until they've already gone ahead with further shit that Russia is keen to avoid them doing.
Alternatively, making threatening noises about nukes may be done partially for domestic propaganda purposes, being seen to be doing something in response to the acts of other nations, or ramping up the concerns about external threats in the minds of Russians. Especially when those external threats are part of the justification used for invading Ukraine in the first place.
It could also be part of what someone else mentioned recently in regards Belarus - part of the attempt to redraw some of the red lines, to make clear that they consider Ukraine part of Russia to the extent that certain actions by other nations will be treated in the same way as if those acts were done in Russian territory.
MPs in Ukraine have been calling multiple times a day for countries to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine, Our press reports that there is no real appetite for that because it would cross a well established red line in terms of direct military confrontation between nuclear powers. I do not know if Russia assumed there is 0% chance of it happening, whether they have fears on that that make them feel the need to remind everyone of why its a non-starter.
Also consider the political shouting that ensues should any potential western leader publicly state that they wouldnt use their nuclear weapons under any circumstances they could envisage. Such talk is seen to undermine the point of having the nukes in the first place, the nuclear threat is supposed to remain credible. Russia doesnt have a very large collection of ways to project its power globally, and so I dont find it surprising that they are quick to show the nuclear card. Its like a cat fluffing up its tail to make itself seem bigger. Theres quite a lot of countries that dont hesitate to engage in bullying, and Russia is certainly one of them, hence it is hard for me to consider most things they might say at a time like this as surprising or something I can read deeply into.
Weller
So ermm ... You know ermm
Are you sure about that though are you saying they don't have the capability or the cruise missiles bombs etc to do what U.S.A did in Iraq 2003s opening night showing the world its shock and awe now or a prolonged large scale attack
Im not up on weapon technology too much but theres a fair bit of footage , news reports etc from Putins involvement in Syria etc that shows what he has and has used , is capable of doing , Shock and awe style in kyiv surely he is capable of without nukes
Is it not just his early tactics and plan may have been or may still be to not look too much the bad guy killing civilians , mass destroying infrastructure quickly especially if hes intending staying or just wanted regime change
hes probably blown ever being seen as a good guy ever anywhere now though anyway thats one of the things that worries me what he may do next now
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MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
It's not what he's done in the past that counts, it's what he does now and so far he seems to have risen to the challenge magnificently. There are an awful lot of national leaders who would have been at the airport with a suitcase full of cash planning to start a government in exile rather than defiantly posting selfies of himself giving the middle finger in front of govt buildings.
Somehow I can't see our own wastrel doing that.
ska invita
back on the other side
YEAH FUCK THE STOP THE WAR COALITION - SOPS THE LOT OF THEM
(am i doing this right?)
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
Cyber war, no not nation state, but intra ransomeware gang fighting. Conti who are serious cyber criminal players who came out for Russia and against the US. However, some members came out in support of Ukraine and leaked the orgs data 
This is cyber phwoar!
therecord.media
This is cyber phwoar!
Conti ransomware gang chats leaked by pro-Ukraine member
A member of the Conti ransomware gang, believed to be Ukrainian of origin, has leaked the criminal group\'s internal chats after the gang\'s administrators showed support for the Kremlin government in the aftermath of Russia\'s invasion of Ukraine.
gosub
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They still get paid, and it keeps the gaps between the adverts to a minimum
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Do you think ours is functioning well?
gosub
~#
Better watch out Ben Whishaw doesn't send in snipers to make sure he keeps the gig,. show biz can be ruthless
Terribly.
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