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UK music industry, bands, work permits and Brexit

Oh, Millwall boy with the photo that didn't exist.
The one you posted the sun link to, the one you implied was a racist for no good reason. You really are up yourself, the insults and name calling you resort to when challenged is quite telling.
You can fuck off back to my ignore list of one now.
 
Woah. We've all had a drink :hmm:

I agree with Geldof in the main but fuck me he's unpleasant. And shit at music. Fuck him :mad:

I used to dj on the continent a fair bit in the late '90s. If you had to get visas, carnet, work permits each time etc it'd be impossible

The ability of bands to tour Europe without doing paperwork, well.... I think we're going to have far more immediate and pressing shit to deal with.

Music really does matter, hugely so, but every single industry / trade etc is going to get hurt by this
 
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This will only ever be a case if the EU or our government make it a stupidly complicated process. I regularly work in Switzerland. I believe it costs our company about £10 a year and a couple of minutes of someones time to create the work visa. Admittedly I don't have anything like the drug convictions of half of the fuckwits whittering on about this. Multiple drug convictions (eventually) haven't stopped the Rolling Strones or Macartney performing in the States, which has quite draconian entry qualifications in that respect. I could think of a lot of problems about Brexit, but this really is a ridiculous one. I'd be more worried about issues such as Net Neutrality in a post-Brexit environment.
When we toured Germany and Austria before the open borders, we crossed countries several times and often had to take all the gear out of the van and sit about while they checked and ticked off the items in the fucking carnet plus the faffing with the passports. It was an expensive, time consuming and frustrating process, and one that meant we arrived at one gig almost too late to play.

You may think it a "ridiculous" issue, but for it may well severely impact on some people and make playing Europe uneconomic.

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How Brexit could change the gigs you go to
 
Chris Smith, the director of this weekend’s Womad festival, told the Radio Times that for the first time musicians had rejected invitations rather than face the “humiliation” of confronting Britain’s visa services. “Culture is being crushed as politicians lurch to the right,” he said. “My fear is the situation is only going to get worse.” Yet this is a time when divided communities need the soothing balm of art and unifying power of music reaching across borders more than ever.

So some geezer raking it in from festivals speaks and the guardian are all over it. Shame he/they never mentioned this before the referendum :rolleyes:

I read a thing awhile ago, the hostile environment policies, have put off loads of non EU musicians coming into this country. Brexit is a complete cluster fuck. But that’s due to the politics that has got us here. No point remainers screaming at ordinary punters who voted out.

Just as an addendum to your post, not picking an argument.
 
What is a carnet? One of those hooked bungee things like you get on roof racks to go over the equipment?
HTH
Carnet Definition
A Carnet or ATA Carnet (pronounced kar-nay) is an international customs and temporary export-import document. It is used to clear customs in 87 countries and territories without paying duties and import taxes on merchandise that will be re-exported within 12 months*. Carnets are also known as Merchandise Passports or Passports for Goods. "What is a Carnet?" Video
 
it not just that bob fucking geldoff will find it harder to go on tour. Its not just that touring europe is a great opportunity for loads of struggling bands and artists. stopping freedom of movement is actually about a whole generation of young people (like my own kids) being denied a wide range of opportunities across the arts and culture and education and work because xenophobic twats in clacton are worried about too many foreign types coming in.

So where does that leave us? How did those people arrive at that position? Don’t get me wrong there are a lot of xenophobic small minded cunts voted for Brexit. I am not interested in being polite about them. More, how did they arrive at that position, why are there apparently so many of them. It’s fun, easy to write off a load of people, the thickies, racists, what ever. Then what?
 
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Geldof....ha....
He's a conservative...Always has been. Even in Ireland he was a conservative...pain in the backside. Ireland was too small for him so off he trecked over to the UK ... and I'd put money on him moving to France with the horse if / when Brexit happens. He is a self-serving tax evader who is well known to be as tight as a gnats arse.

But..he has a point. And if movement of people becomes difficult then obviously that will effect the UK.

An even bigger problem will be with movement of goods and money.

All those ex pats living in Spain and other EU countries trying to have their pensions sent to them and finding that it won't be easy anymore cos their UK bank won't be allowed ease of transfer.

Nobody has thought this shit through. It will fuck up the UK for a long time. Your grandkids will hate you for it...and probably mine too.
The UK government has fucked over NI. They've set in motion the resurgence of the troubles and they don't give a fuck. They've fucked over the Republic too because this will have massive impacts on us.

And the people in the UK haven't the courage to go berzerk and March on their parliament .... no...they're pulling the stiff upper lip thing and thinking "we will be fine cos we always are".
Wait til your population starts dropping. It will.
Wait til people start leaving the UK....
The UK has never had a huge history of people leaving for work in the same way as Ireland.... They've no idea what's ahead. But it will happen.
Young people won't have jobs. They will leave and find work elsewhere. Then the UK will be well and truly screwed.

Rant over.
 
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Thing is, everyone here almost without exception has done their homework. No one is going to learn anything that will change their mind but at least we can understand the 'other side' a bit more. This is the only place that I've heard compelling cases to leave the EU (because I value this place a bit more than the side of a bus). It hasn't changed my mind. It's the only place that I've heard compelling arguments about a second referendum too. Haven't changed my mind about that either. But we do need these discussions - even the ones about Bob fecking Geldof.
 
When we toured Germany and Austria before the open borders, we crossed countries several times and often had to take all the gear out of the van and sit about while they checked and ticked off the items in the fucking carnet plus the faffing with the passports. It was an expensive, time consuming and frustrating process, and one that meant we arrived at one gig almost too late to play.

You may think it a "ridiculous" issue, but for it may well severely impact on some people and make playing Europe uneconomic.

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How Brexit could change the gigs you go to


The Schengen zone will still exist. So even if visas and carnets are needed, that will only be done at Calais or wherever you hit the Schengen zone. From there you are free to cruise through to Romania without showing any more documents, should you wish.

When you toured before you would have needed French Francs, possibly Belgian too, Deutsche Marks and some Austrian Schillings too.

Today you can € all, which is very handy for touring bands. Never mind the catastrophic social cost of that currency, so long as bands can move with ease, eh.
 
Quite.

Was pretty depressing during that Euro business how many people who should have known better were saying “it’ll be great, I’ll be able to go on holiday without changing currencies”.
 
When we toured Germany and Austria before the open borders, we crossed countries several times and often had to take all the gear out of the van and sit about while they checked and ticked off the items in the fucking carnet plus the faffing with the passports. It was an expensive, time consuming and frustrating process, and one that meant we arrived at one gig almost too late to play.

You may think it a "ridiculous" issue, but for it may well severely impact on some people and make playing Europe uneconomic.

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How Brexit could change the gigs you go to
It's a genuine issue which will affect some people in terms of minor administrative inconvenience and may even make touring uneconomic for a small number of bands, as I and others have already said.

What's ridiculous is presenting it as a reason why Britain shouldn't leave the EU
 
It's a genuine issue which will affect some people in terms of minor administrative inconvenience and may even make touring uneconomic for a small number of bands, as I and others have already said.

What's ridiculous is presenting it as a reason why Britain shouldn't leave the EU

I think it's fair that people affected (which is going to be everyone) point out various difficulties, but yeah, framing it as a 'reason to stay in the EU' isn't a great tactic.
 
If everyone affected points out their difficulties, you have a bunch of reasons to stay in the EU, no? This is just one, not particularly standout item in a long list.

I mean it's better framed as a "let's have a Brexit that supports our artists" style thing. There shouldn't be any reason why we couldn't organise some specific passport arrangements for frequent visitors in either direction.

While the list of 'reasons to leave the EU' contains what?

While the list is different to different people, I think you have a very good idea what it contains.
 
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