UK music industry, bands, work permits and Brexit

[kebabking]

Acceptable to the public obvs - we have a right to decide whether or not any deal the govt comes up with is acceptable. Only another vote can reconcile that.

There was nothing on the ballot paper about a deal either - so the electorate didn't instruct the government to strike a deal, they just instructed them to leave the EU. A literalist interpretation would be that the government should have submitted A50 and left it at that. If a future government wanted to embark on creating a different relationship with the EU that would be something for a future government, parliament and electorate.

 

[8ball]

Obvs. It’s everything around the shitey vote that’s important, but, what’s worrying me atm is the EU are doing shit like building the second longest fucking wall in the world to keep out migrants and now no one is looking, indeed they are waving their shitey flags.

A lot of people who voted to leave might have voted the other way had they known.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

And it’s not like there’s a similar portion of the left going around waving yon Butchersapron around so that stuff does still need to be acknowledged.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

A lot of people who voted to leave might have voted the other way had they known.

There’s no point in circular arguments like this. What’s the point? We could only answer the question that was put to us. Polling suggests immigration wasn’t what swung it, but in any case what can you do about what people carried in their heads to the polling station, not much. This be where madness lies.

 

[sealion]

A lot of people who voted to leave might have voted the other way had they known.

According to you they are all racists, so it wouldn't have mattered would it

 

[8ball]

There’s no point in circular arguments like this. What’s the point? We could only answer the question that was put to us. Polling suggests immigration wasn’t what swung it, but in any case what can you do about what people carried in their heads to the polling station, not much. This be where madness lies.

I think we know that if the racists were aligned with remain policies, we'd still be in.

But in any case, we should let people vote on the deal we end up with, regardless of whether it involves kicking immigrants out. That way we can at least say what the people's will was regarding their understanding of a specific deal. One which doesn't, for example, involve the NHS geting a shitload more money.

 

[8ball]

According to you they are all racists, so it wouldn't have mattered would it

Try that again in a way that makes some semblance of sense.

 

[sealion]

Try that again in a way that makes some semblance of sense.

The master of the swerve!

 

[8ball]

The master of the swerve!

At most, the master of the "try and write legibly if you'd like your point addressed".

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I think we know that if the racists were aligned with remain policies, we'd still be in.

“The racists” so presumably the pro remain Tories are let off the hook in this regard?

 

[8ball]

“The racists” so presumably the pro remain Tories are let off the hook in this regard?

All Tories are racists?

 

[not-bono-ever]

Did Bono and Sting also sign ?

 

[sealion]

At most, the master of the "try and write legibly if you'd like your point addressed".

Your snobbery doesn't hide the fact you're a snide cunt.

 

[8ball]

Did Bono and Sting also sign ?

Sting did, but the full list of signatories doesn't jump straight out of Google.

 

[8ball]

Your snobbery doesn't hide the fact you're a snide cunt.

Being working class doesn't mean you're contractually obliged to be thick, Tarquin.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

All Tories are racists?

The party is probably racist in a more practically shite and harmful way than say someone on shite wages in a deprived area that believes the country lacks the infrastructure to be able to cope with more migration- but anyway, you can’t have it both ways, either “the racists” all make exactly the same choices and vote the same way, or they do not and your comment was shite.

 

[8ball]

The party is probably racist in a more practically shite and harmful way than say someone on shite wages in a deprived area that believes the country lacks the infrastructure to be able to cope with more migration- but anyway, you can’t have it both ways, either “the racists” all make exactly the same choices and vote the same way, or they do not and your comment was shite.

Oh, you think a significant proportion of racists voted remain, do you?

Perhaps the spike in hate crimes after the referendum result was remainers bitter about losing...

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Oh, you think a significant proportion of racists voted remain, do you?

I think a significant proportion of people voted to remain part of an institution that has played a large part in thousands of deaths in the med, as for where everybody falls on the racist scale, I can’t comment. Racism takes different forms, and it’s certainly prevalent within the “progressive” left too.

 

[sealion]

Being working class doesn't mean you're contractually obliged to be thick, Tarquin.

You did this on another thread with me, when you made a cunt of yourself.

 

[8ball]

I think a significant proportion of people voted to remain part of an institution that has played a large part in thousands of deaths in the med, as for where everybody falls on the racist scale, I can’t comment. Racism takes different forms, and it’s certainly prevalent within the “progressive” left too.

I think a large proportion of people voted remain because it would be obviously very destructive to do otherwise given the fucknuts who would be steering the ship from then on.

Also, for fairly obvious reasons there seems to be less in-depth analysis about why people voted remain.

I think there is a good case for keeping a distance from the EU for principled reasons, but that's not where we were at the point of that particular vote.
I wish it was.

 

[8ball]

You did this on another thread with me, when you made a cunt of yourself.

Oh, was that the one where you came out with a load of spluttering fact-free shite and could only fall back on the fact that you know the word 'cunt'?

I know that one too, cunt.

 

[sealion]

Oh, was that the one where you came out with a load of spluttering fact-free shite and could only fall back on the fact that you know the word 'cunt'?

I know that one too, cunt.

The one where you were wrongly implying racsism again, yes that one. You responded the same way iirc, name calling and insults.

 

[8ball]

The one where you were wrongly implying racsism again, yes that one. You responded the same way iirc, name calling and insults.

Oh, Millwall boy with the photo that didn't exist.

Yeah, I remember now. It must be way past your bedtime by now.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I think a large proportion of people voted remain because it would be obviously very destructive to do otherwise given the fucknuts who would be steering the ship from then on.

Also, for fairly obvious reasons there seems to be less in-depth analysis about why people voted remain.

I think there is a good case for keeping a distance from the EU for principled reasons, but that's not where we were at the point of that particular vote.
I wish it was.

If you are being genuine here, I’m not sure why you think calling everyone racist is going to help drag the EU debate back to the left.

 

[8ball]

If you are being genuine here, I’m not sure why you think calling everyone racist is going to help drag the EU debate back to the left.

Where did I "call everyone racist"?

But in terms of dragging the debate leftwards, that wasn't helped by assisting those dragging it to the right. That wasn't an option on the ballot paper.

It was a stitch up with no right answer.

 

[twentythreedom]

Geldof is a dick

 

[8ball]

Geldof is a dick

That's the least controversial point made on this thread so far.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

But in terms of dragging the debate leftwards, that wasn't helped by assisting those dragging it to the right

Correct

 

[twentythreedom]

That's the least controversial point made on this thread so far.

Geldof is transgender

 

[MikeMcc]

This will only ever be a case if the EU or our government make it a stupidly complicated process. I regularly work in Switzerland. I believe it costs our company about £10 a year and a couple of minutes of someones time to create the work visa. Admittedly I don't have anything like the drug convictions of half of the fuckwits whittering on about this. Multiple drug convictions (eventually) haven't stopped the Rolling Strones or Macartney performing in the States, which has quite draconian entry qualifications in that respect. I could think of a lot of problems about Brexit, but this really is a ridiculous one. I'd be more worried about issues such as Net Neutrality in a post-Brexit environment.