Transphobes gunning hard for 'paedophilia' angle all of a sudden

[Epona]

"just don’t like being told what to think" is a bit of a red flag too - i see it used as a justification so often from those who hate trans people as if trans people are doing anything differently from all the other minority groups who just asked for a level of respect and some rights so they could live a reasonable life.

Just want to let you know that some urbs stand with you, in case you ever feel down or put upon - you aren't the only person here who goes through it, sadly there are utter shitebags here too and a bit of a level of transphobia but there are also those of us who are either similar or will stand together. Please don't ever feel like you are alone. Much love.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

On some of the posts above, I always think this decade-old speech is a useful reference point:

Jamrat Mason, Hackney Pride speech

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resonates with me. I've gone from some really blokey bloke to a rather feminine woman and now, ten years after transitioning I find myself in the middle and identifying as non-binary. Neither man nor woman appeals to me though man is considerably less appealing than woman - for me.

 

[krtek a houby]

Am seeing a lot of "back when men were men" posts on social media. Oddly, less "when women were women" posts.

But it's all pervasive now. Cropping up in Star Wars, MCU and plenty other entertainment groups. The fash and bigots are seizing the opportunity to infiltrate and influence popular culture along with politics.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Just want to let you know that some urbs stand with you, in case you ever feel down or put upon - you aren't the only person here who goes through it, sadly there are utter shitebags here too but there are also those of us who are either similar or will stand together. Please don't ever feel like you are alone. Much love.

Thanks. That's appreciated. I don't really feel that put upon tbh. Those who have a problem with trans stick out a mile on these boards - i just avoid them. Usually me challenging them is just so i can work out if they are deeply invested in their problematic views or whether its just laziness or ignorance - and then i can disregard them entirely.

 

[bmd]

I must say i haven't noticed any recent uptick on this apart from that generally transphobia in the media and in politics has been on the rise ever since i transitioned about 10 years ago.
I mean I've been called a pedo by random people ever since i transitioned, and as you say, the subtext has always been there. I think maybe we've crossed into a new age where transphobes feel emboldened enough that they don't feel the need to hide it from other cis people.

This is what gets me more than anything else, that people who hold positions of power with a public voice are causing discrimination and violence against people who simply wish to be left to live their lives. How can they? For personal gain? It makes me feel so incredibly unhappy.

 

[Epona]

Thanks. That's appreciated. I don't really feel that put upon tbh. Those who have a problem with trans stick out a mile on these boards - i just avoid them. Usually me challenging them is just so i can work out if they are deeply invested in their problematic views or whether its just laziness or ignorance - and then i can disregard them entirely.

I am glad to hear you get on with it better than I do, because I really feel fucking bleak about it some days.
Best wishes anyway

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

I am glad to hear you get on with it better than I do, because I really feel fucking bleak about it some days.
Best wishes anyway

I've learned to find positivity from within. Once you have that there's nothing they can do to take that away.

 

[editor]

I realise this is a dangerous topic and I’m conscious of misrepresenting myself, but I will just say that whilst you’re certainly right to a point, I think I am too. I’m not talking about some EDL gorilla, I mean you average ‘this is a bit confusing tbh’ person. A lot of people - and I defo include myself in this - just don’t like being told what to think. In my experience (limited, but I do know, respect, and like a couple of trans male kids) it’s never a normal trans kid being a cock. It’s a social media cunt first, trans person second, type that annoys the shit out of people.

So, in my view only, you get people being anti trans only cos they’re fucked off with some mouthy prick, rather than even giving the remotest of fucks about what trans actually is.

(Not including Christian weirdos in this. They’ve got their own agendas).

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

This used to be (still is?) attached to slurs aimed at gay men. We never learn. Humans need their devils.

I'm seeing American GOP and MAGA supporters now claiming that everyone on the left is a peado. IMO it adds to the pressure for people on the left to throw LGBT people under the bus, while LGB people are being encouraged to throw T under the bus. And yes, I'm pretty sure this is a conscious strategy for the GOP/MAGA drones.

 

[Epona]

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Why don't you do anything about other people being transphobic towards me though? Like when someone says they don't give a shit about using the right pronouns but your (meaning my) pronoun is " entitled Twat" -which is both gendered and offensive and a personal transphobic attack - why is nothing done about that?

 

[editor]

Why don't you do anything about other people being trans[hobic towards me though? Like when someone says they don't give a shit about using the right pronouns but your (meaning my) pronoun is " entitled Twat" -which is both gendered and offensive and a personal transphobic attack - why is nothing done about that?

This is really not fair. You didn't even report the post - others did - and I really, really REALLY don't have time to go looking through every word of every post to see if someone is causing offence. I've got more than enough shit going on in my own life right now. Please address any other complaints to the other mods because I'm too pissed off to engage further.

 

[Epona]

This is really not fair. You didn't even report the post - others did - and I REALLY don't have time to go looking through every word of every post to see if someone is causing offence. I've got more than enough shit going on in my own life right now. Please address any other complaints to the other mods because I'm too pissed off to engage further.

I absolutely reported it

 

[Epona]

It was directly aimed at me and I reported it.

 

[Epona]

Please can we just as a site start being less ok with transphobia and transphobic abuse please?

 

[editor]

I absolutely reported it

I received two reports in the last 45 mins and neither were from you. And I'm really too fucked off with getting unfairly blamed to continue this conversation. Take it up with the other mods.

 

[Epona]

I received two reports in the last 45 mins and neither were from you. And I'm really too fucked off with getting unfairly blamed to continue this conversation. Take it up with the other mods.

This was like last Friday or something, not now

 

[Yossarian]

I'm seeing American GOP and MAGA supporters now claiming that everyone on the left is a peado. IMO it adds to the pressure for people on the left to throw LGBT people under the bus, while LGB people are being encouraged to throw T under the bus. And yes, I'm pretty sure this is a conscious strategy for the GOP/MAGA drones.

Yeah, all very much coordinated

“We knew we needed to find an issue that the candidates were comfortable talking about,” said Terry Schilling, the president of American Principles Project, a social conservative advocacy group. “And we threw everything at the wall.”

https://archive.is/cbLLS#selection-541.0-556.0

 

[Epona]

Yeah, all very much coordinated

“We knew we needed to find an issue that the candidates were comfortable talking about,” said Terry Schilling, the president of American Principles Project, a social conservative advocacy group. “And we threw everything at the wall.”

https://archive.is/cbLLS#selection-541.0-556.0

boak

 

[SpookyFrank]

I've seen a worrying and notable uptick in literally the last week of transphobes starting to frame everything as 'it's all paedophilia'. I know it's always been there but I'm not sure what's happened in the last week, other than a recent (extremely bullshit, from a skim read) 'Safe Schools Alliance' scare piece on an UNESCO/WHO sexuality education paper that they are quoting single words from and claiming is advocating for child sex and removal of child protections (which I'm pretty sure it isn't). It ends with 'It has been found that...' where 'it has been found' seems to translate as 'we have interpreted this to meet our agenda'. Does anyone know if anything in particular set this one off or is it just general desperation looking for fronts of attack? This one's especially concerning, as this really is a way to get trans people killed. Particularly once the Mail et al pick this bullshit up as headlines, which they will.

Recent news stories have been particularly absurd. An unverifiable, unnamed source gets quoted saying St. Margaret's Junior School in Daventry or whatever is teaching year four to do DIY gender reassignment surgery with paper clips and PVA glue, the Telegraph prints it as fact, and then ten thousand viciously stupid arseholes take to the internet to tell everyone all about it.

 

[Epona]

I'm also really angry that I've been made to say I reported someone here in public - that is really not cool, and me exposing myself hasn't led to anything being done has it and now it is just public.


Massive thanks

 

[Dystopiary]

I’m out now anyway. I posted that I was wary of being misrepresented, and clearly you don’t want ‘centrist’ (if that is a loose analogy) allies, so I’ll just let you fight your own fight.

Just focusing on this bit (I've snipped the unfunny, harmful "joke" because other people have already addressed that), if your "allyship" is dependent on [said minority people] agreeing with you, behaving a certain way and not being too outspoken/uppity/visible, then that's not being an ally in the first place.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I've learned to find positivity from within. Once you have that there's nothing they can do to take that away.

Not only that but everything they try will only deepen their own bitterness and misery. Which is always amusing.

 

[smokedout]

I’m assuming P is for paedophile. It would appear to be another “joke”.

Not a joke sadly. It's a fairly well established gender critical claim. I won't link but Julie Bindel recently said on GBNews "I don't want to be lumped in with minor-attracted persons which is the latest addition to the rainbow coalition".

 

[Cloo]

Not a joke sadly. It's a fairly well established gender critical claim. I won't link but Julie Bindel recently said on GBNews "I don't want to be lumped in with minor-attracted persons which is the latest addition to the rainbow coalition".

I have seen people, a few years ago, using an alleged post/communique from a paedophile saying that 'MAPs' (that's 'minor attracted people') could ride on the coat tails of greater LGBTQ acceptance to become just another sexuality.

Now even if were genuine, and I guess it might be - how is it the fucking fault of LGBTQ people for existing and seeking acceptance for their lives? There is absolutely zero sign of any acceptance of paedophilia from the LGBTQ community. I mean, you can probably find one or two fucked up individuals under a rock somewhere, but they'd be utter outliers and would be viewed with horror.

 

[Tones]

Why don't you do anything about other people being transphobic towards me though? Like when someone says they don't give a shit about using the right pronouns but your (meaning my) pronoun is " entitled Twat" -which is both gendered and offensive and a personal transphobic attack - why is nothing done about that?

Are you referring to the post below? If so I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick. It reads to me like they were calling the woman who was the subject of the story an entitled twat. Not you.

If I'm avoiding pronouns (and I see no particular need to in this case) I believe the word I'd be looking for is Twat.

Entitled twat.

 

[Orang Utan]

Tbf anything coming from Gromit is a perfidious insult to us all

 

[NoXion]

resonates with me. I've gone from some really blokey bloke to a rather feminine woman and now, ten years after transitioning I find myself in the middle and identifying as non-binary. Neither man nor woman appeals to me though man is considerably less appealing than woman - for me.

I very much enjoy things traditionally seen as masculine, and I strongly believe that it is entirely possible to do so without dragging along a whole bunch of toxic baggage. One of the more shameful and insidious things that bigots do, is to try and recast masculinity as something that is inherently toxic, while simultaneously accusing the other side of doing that very thing. They twist criticisms of "toxic masculinity" into an attack on men in general, rather than of specific attitudes and behaviours.

I for one refuse to cede that ground to them. A masculine man can be considerate and accepting without compromising himself.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

i'm still trying to think of a reply other than 'fuck off' to a certain poster on this thread.

wonder which returner they are?

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

I very much enjoy things traditionally seen as masculine, and I strongly believe that it is entirely possible to do so without dragging along a whole bunch of toxic baggage. One of the more shameful and insidious things that bigots do, is to try and recast masculinity as something that is inherently toxic, while simultaneously accusing the other side of doing that very thing. They twist criticisms of "toxic masculinity" into an attack on men in general, rather than of specific attitudes and behaviours.

I for one refuse to cede that ground to them. A masculine man can be considerate and accepting without compromising himself.

for sure. My boyfriend was masculine and managed to not be a toxic dickhead. Lots of men do, in fact.

 

[krink]

I hate the way CSA is used as a weapon against gay/trans/queer people when in reality it's overwhelmingly straight men who are the perpetrators.