Tory UK EU Exit Referendum

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I don't know when it changed but I like manufacturing, it is difficult but very rewarding. There is no doubt though that manufacturing is not valued in Britain at the moment and has not been for some time whereas in Germany it remains strong and a large source of their export success story.

Britain needs a thriving manufacturing industry, it pisses me off endlessly politicians arguing that we are now a service economy. Only because we didn't enable our manufacturing industry to succeed leading to its decline.

Is Britain's manufacturing sector so damaged it could never recover? or could it given the right environment?

Jesus Welty, where have you been for the past 40 years?

 

[DotCommunist]

light manufacture not dead completely. The shoe factories round here, the big ones are largely gone but I've worked for rigid (cardboard boxmakers) corby bottlers (bonded warehouse, wine) Sealed Air (bubblewrap) and Kettering Textiles (rag trade unloading lorries). Tha6ts off the top of my head, I've done loads. Oh yeah, Greggs delivery hub (sacked) and weetabix (good company to work for.)

all of course, non unionised just over min wage agency OF COURSE

 

[weltweit]

Jesus Welty, where have you been for the past 40 years?

Mainly working in manufacturing

 

[Artaxerxes]

And yet we have phenomena like Dyson who started making vacuum cleaners from scratch and now has a team of hundreds of engineers in the UK while manufacturing itself is overseas. That alone proves that British companies can produce new manufactured goods and succeed with them even if not all the jobs are here.

The main problem is the cheap flow of goods, and the fact that currently countries game the carbon issue by outsourcing things to developing nations. When its cheaper to import and make things in China and we can say "look our Carbon footprint is going down" then theres some bollocks going on.


There are a fair few clever people about, always will be but the base for them to build things on is rapidly fading and I doubt we'll have those more of those engineers and inventors coming along in the future.

Look at the rail, used to be we had a vast amount of engineers doing things, fiddling with things. Now we just outsource it and buy our kit from abroad, all that expertise comes from other countries engineers.

 

[belboid]

light manufacture not dead completely. The shoe factories round here, the big ones are largely gone but I've worked for rigid (cardboard boxmakers) corby bottlers (bonded warehouse, wine) Sealed Air (bubblewrap) and Kettering Textiles (rag trade unloading lorries). Tha6ts off the top of my head, I've done loads. Oh yeah, Greggs delivery hub (sacked) and weetabix (good company to work for.

all of course, non unionised just over min wage agency OF COURSE

Stuff so light it would be absurd to have it sent from halfway around the world- even in neoliberal terms

 

[weltweit]

We are so far behind Germany where manufacturing is concerned it really saddens me. It is common practice there for an engineer to emerge with his or her doctorate and immediately start a small company based on their specialism. Starting small they get local bank funding and 20 years later are one of the small or middle sized companies which support so much of German industry. I don't see this happening in the UK, a lot is due to local funding as we have discussed here before.

 

[weltweit]

I can remember some Germans visiting us and deciding to try out a British car. They hired an MG Montego and took it on the motorway. Shortly after they returned it to the hire company because it had torque steer, and they decided it was simply too dangerous.

Then there was a German customer who bought a Jaguar whose top speed was advertised as 155mph. For a week they drove between Munich and Stuttgart and then returned the car to get their money back because on only two days had the car achieved its advertised top speed.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I can remember some Germans visiting us and deciding to try out a British car. They hired an MG Montego and took it on the motorway. Shortly after they returned it to the hire company because it had torque steer, and they decided it was simply too dangerous.

Then there was a German customer who bought a Jaguar whose top speed was advertised as 155mph. For a week they drove between Munich and Stuttgart and then returned the car to get their money back because on only two days had the car achieved its advertised top speed.

Didn't stop the cunts snapping up Mini, Bentley & Rolls Royce though.

 

[weltweit]

Didn't stop the cunts snapping up Mini, Bentley & Rolls Royce though.

Indeed. And JLR are owned by Tata.

Interesting though that Germany does not really do cheap cars, they focus on quality even now with Skoda. VW even are not cheap wheels.

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed. And JLR are owned by Tata.

Interesting though that Germany does not really do cheap cars, they focus on quality even now with Skoda. VW even are not cheap wheels.

skoda are czech

 

[weltweit]

skoda are czech

Owned by VW

 

[chilango]

Somebody I was speaking to the other day reckoned that a Brexit vote would simply be ignored and there would be no withdrawal from the EU.

I could see that happening if the vote was narrow or the turnout was low or any other excuse there could be invalidate the mandate.

After all it's not like people would take to the streets over this.

Would they?

 

[Pickman's model]

Owned by VW

you say that like you think i give a fuck

 

[Pickman's model]

Somebody I was speaking to the other day reckoned that a Brexit vote would simply be ignored and there would be no withdrawal from the EU.

I could see that happening if the vote was narrow or the turnout was low or any other excuse there could be invalidate the mandate.

After all it's not like people would take to the streets over this.

Would they?

they're going to have to unless they can teleport to the polling stations.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Somebody I was speaking to the other day reckoned that a Brexit vote would simply be ignored and there would be no withdrawal from the EU.

Was it the same person who told Stanley Edwards that you can't OD on smack by any chance?

 

[Pickman's model]

Was it the same person who told Stanley Edwards that you can't OD on smack by any chance?

i can understand stan falling for any auld nonsense. but i am disappointed to find chilango doing the same.

 

[chilango]

i can understand stan falling for any auld nonsense. but i am disappointed to find chilango doing the same.

I dunno. A 50.6 vs 50.4 result in a sub50 turnout? I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Though personally I reckon it'll be a comfortable 60+ for Remain anyway.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I dunno. A 50.6 vs 50.4 result in a sub50 turnout? .

That might raise some eyebrows, yes.

 

[Pickman's model]

I dunno. A 50.6 vs 50.4 result in a sub50 turnout? I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Though personally I reckon it'll be a comfortable 60+ for Remain anyway.

and we all know they accepted the result despite the 50% turnout and the 50% for and against the proposition

 

[gosub]

Somebody I was speaking to the other day reckoned that a Brexit vote would simply be ignored and there would be no withdrawal from the EU.

I could see that happening if the vote was narrow or the turnout was low or any other excuse there could be invalidate the mandate.

After all it's not like people would take to the streets over this.

Would they?

I might do if they suggest having another one not sure I could stand it(though the idea permanently leaving politicians on buses has some appeal)

 

[chilango]

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and we all know they accepted the result despite the 50% turnout and the 50% for and against the proposition

Fair point.

Though the result was of less importance for Capital tbf.

 

[gosub]

That might raise some eyebrows, yes.

At the counts do they have team leaders telling counters to give it more than 100%

 

[gosub]

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and we all know they accepted the result despite the 50% turnout and the 50% for and against the proposition

PC privately thought one bag of postals was dodgy

 

[chilango]

Anyway I don't think it will happen, but wouldn't rule it out as an impossible scenario and was interested that it was raised by someone with far more faith in liberal democracy than me.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyway I don't think it will happen, but wouldn't rule it out as an impossible scenario and was interested that it was raised by someone with far more faith in liberal democracy than me.

You mean more gullible

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I dunno. A 50.6 vs 50.4 result... I wouldn't want to bet on it.

I would.

 

[pocketscience]

Actually it was £148m a day, my mistake.

Source: HM Government leaflet about the EU Referendum, Thursday, 23rd June 2016.

Actual text:

Over the last decade, foreign companies have invested £540 billion in the UK, equivalent to £148 million every day.

Foregn companies? So what does this actually mean once you take the US, japanese, chinese and ME companies out the equation? and as Pickmans says, how much do they take out?
And, more importantly, why should any of this change if we leave?

 

[DotCommunist]

Stuff so light it would be absurd to have it sent from halfway around the world- even in neoliberal terms

yes, and with a non unionised agency workforce the saving in labour costs to bring that stuff in from china wouldn't compute.

Anyway I don't think it will happen, but wouldn't rule it out as an impossible scenario and was interested that it was raised by someone with far more faith in liberal democracy than me.

I think the question would be put to the electorate again, but to completely ignore it and just say fuck you we'll carry on regardless after making such a eureff hoo-haa? political suicide.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think the question would be put to the electorate again.

Why? Cameron resigns, Johnson takes over as the new pro-Brexit pm. I don't see any scenario in which there is another referendum any time soon, tbh.

 

[belboid]

Why? Cameron resigns, Johnson takes over as the new pro-Brexit pm. I don't see any scenario in which there is another referendum any time soon, tbh.

There does tend to be one when the first goes against the EU