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Tory UK EU Exit Referendum

weltweit said:
They will have to swallow EU immigration .. a large part of their misleading emphasis atm ..
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Agreed. If they were planning on winning the referendum. Will be able to call in under ten days if party trumps national interest in all counts. If does Corbyn's got a problem
 
Inward investment is the sort of thing that will be severely damaged if we vote exit from the EU.
Foreign investment in the UK hits record £975bn, second only to America, UK Trade and Investment report shows.

Official figures show the number of projects backed by overseas investors jumped 14% in 2013-14, the highest since records began in the 1980s. The data will cement UK’s reputation as top destination in Europe for foreign companies.

Lord Livingston, the trade minister said: ” It has been an exeptional year for foreign investment with record project numbers creating the highest number of new UK jobs since 2001. It shows that our strategy to attract investors to the UK by creating one of the most business- friendly environments in the world is the right one and it is proof that foreign investors have confidence in the UK as the best place to do business.”
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UK attracts highest level of inward investment on record | EBS - European Business Solutions
 
weltweit said:
Oh, do you mean it could be ok if we left the EU but remained in the single market? I suppose that is true.
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There is very limited support here for the mainstream barrage of bullshit. There is one window to move away from it and will be telling if it is taken.

In the meantime is interesting Vote Leave said it wanted nothing to do with Farage and UKIP and there marmite brand (still true I believe). Odd then that the only way they could have stolen more of Farage's clothes is if Boris literally went round in mustard coloured trousers and a tweed jacket. The omni directionally flawed 'Australian points' scheme was UKIP manifesto.. Remain don't have to dig too hard for the playbook on countering it... BUT it gives the impression VL are trying.
 
weltweit said:
It would be good to be clear, do brexiters want out of the single market?
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Depends who you ask. The more honest ones who want to end free movement and EU contributions are resigned to a messy relationship outside of the single market with bilateral arrangements and "working something out." Boris and Farage for eg will say we can have the same single market access without any obligations because "Germany wants to sell us BMWs." And nor will there be any bar on Brits wanting to retire in Portugal or get a job in Germany when times get tough.
 
youngian said:
Depends who you ask. The more honest ones who want to end free movement and EU contributions are resigned to a messy relationship outside of the single market with bilateral arrangements and "working something out." Boris and Farage for eg will say we can have the same single market access without any obligations because "Germany wants to sell us BMWs." And nor will there be any bar on Brits wanting to retire in Portugal or get a job in Germany when times get tough.
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Another grouping could only be done in stages and Europe's reaction to each stage taken into account before moving to a further stage. Straight out is not regarded by them as practical.
 
gosub said:
Odd then that the only way they could have stolen more of Farage's clothes is if Boris literally went round in mustard coloured trousers and a tweed jacket. The omni directionally flawed 'Australian points' scheme was UKIP manifesto.. Remain don't have to dig too hard for the playbook on countering it... BUT it gives the impression VL are trying.
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Brexit have already got the anti-immigrant vote in the bag but Vote Leave feared that banging on about it would put off floating voters hence elbowing Farage aside. Their latest ramping up of xenophopbia indicates they have lost the centre ground and going all out nuclear to get the anti-immigrant vote out as they are in low turnout demograhics. Much more worrying is that fear and hate mongering can spread like a virus.
 
brogdale said:
I want my country back.
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I want fewer national boundaries and less nationalism. I think the way forward is more and more collaboration between former nation states. I applauded the reunification of Germany and Germany's increased involvement in the EU. In an increasingly interconnected world it is those who collaborate most that will deliver greater freedoms for their populations.
 
weltweit said:
I want fewer national boundaries and less nationalism. I think the way forward is more and more collaboration between former nation states. I applauded the reunification of Germany and Germany's increased involvement in the EU. In an increasingly interconnected world it is those who collaborate most that will deliver greater freedoms for their populations.
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Sorry, I wasn't suggesting that was your view...merely the average response of those 'leavists' vox-popped by MSM.
 
brogdale said:
I want my country back.
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weltweit said:
I want fewer national boundaries and less nationalism. I think the way forward is more and more collaboration between former nation states. I applauded the reunification of Germany and Germany's increased involvement in the EU. In an increasingly interconnected world it is those who collaborate most that will deliver greater freedoms for their populations.
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I applaud your patience with your eloquent reply to such a dumb vacuous statement.
 
youngian said:
Brexit have already got the anti-immigrant vote in the bag but Vote Leave feared that banging on about it would put off floating voters hence elbowing Farage aside. Their latest ramping up of xenophopbia indicates they have lost the centre ground and going all out nuclear to get the anti-immigrant vote out as they are in low turnout demograhics. Much more worrying is that fear and hate mongering can spread like a virus.
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Equally concerned about that virus. Think that shore up can't win, and should be a no brainer. But delivers UKIP South East back to Tory fold whilst UKIP feasts on Labour Northern heartlands. Collecting EUro seed money with and saying We share your pain... France et al left to address illegal immigration.(irrespective of the referendum)
 
youngian said:
I applaud your patience with your eloquent reply to such a dumb vacuous statement.
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Dumb & vacuous it is, but it also represents a central theme of the 'leavists' campaign, and represents the lack of thought given to issues around proposed trading patterns.
 
Just heard Priti Patel on the radio repeating this £350m a week claim. She should be legally prevented from propagating what is basically a lie! Does she not even recognise Thatcher's massive rebate?
 
Remain should be spouting that Britain has benefitted from £158m of inward investment *per day* for the last ten years - BECAUSE - we are in the EU!
 
Well since they are trying to make a verbal contract with us we'd surely only need to get it through the courts.
 


Hmmm...wonder what's spooked ze Germans, then?



This'll go down well with the "IWMCB" demographic!
 
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