Tory UK EU Exit Referendum

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Get Surrey news asks the people of the county how they will vote, South West Surrey's MP in tune as per...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Get Surrey News's sample is fair, balanced and representative, of course.

 

[pocketscience]

Remain should be spouting that Britain has benefitted from £158m of inward investment *per day* for the last ten years - BECAUSE - we are in the EU!

Spouting helps nobody. Can you show us your workings/ point to the source for this figure?

 

[Barking_Mad]

Hands up if you cant take any more of this?

 

[two sheds]

Remain should be spouting that Britain has benefitted from £158m of inward investment *per day* for the last ten years - BECAUSE - we are in the EU!

Doesn't inward investment = selling off bits of the country?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Get Surrey News's sample is fair, balanced and representative, of course.

Are you suggesting that some people in this fine land may not be retired majors with a couple of mill sunning itself in the Caymans

 

[Ranbay]

Does anyone know when the result will come out?

Assume some time on the Friday?

 

[Dogsauce]

Doesn't inward investment = selling off bits of the country?

It'll be fucking property sharks, including stuff like the billions being poured into luxury flats at Battersea (by the qataris) etc.

 

[two sheds]

Indeed, they're going to want a good return on their investment.

 

[DotCommunist]

Hands up if you cant take any more of this?

its at least provided us with whats best in life: watching interneccine tory warfare. Watching them say things about colleagues that you can't take back. Watching them shit the bed basically.

 

[hot air baboon]

its "Jeremies for Europe"

 

[weltweit]

The increased involvement that means the 'peripheral' economies (like Greece) get screwed whilst paying their 'debt' to, uhh, Germany? Yee ha

Germany does not chase a trade surplus for the sake of it, it has a trade surplus because it is good at manufacturing products that are in demand as exports. Britain could learn a lot about manufacturing from the Germans!

 

[belboid]

Does anyone know when the result will come out?

Assume some time on the Friday?

Counting at 400 odd centres from 2200 Thursday - about the same as for a general election. Each will announce once they have a total, so it should become clear quite quickly, but no final result till the early hours

 

[Ranbay]

Counting at 400 odd centres from 2200 Thursday - about the same as for a general election. Each will announce once they have a total, so it should become clear quite quickly, but no final result till the early hours

Thanks, will be at Glastonbury so will be on the look out for the result.

 

[weltweit]

Spouting helps nobody. Can you show us your workings/ point to the source for this figure?

Actually it was £148m a day, my mistake.

Source: HM Government leaflet about the EU Referendum, Thursday, 23rd June 2016.

Actual text:

Over the last decade, foreign companies have invested £540 billion in the UK, equivalent to £148 million every day.

 

[belboid]

Germany does not chase a trade surplus for the sake of it, it has a trade surplus because it is good at manufacturing products that are in demand as exports. Britain could learn a lot about manufacturing from the Germans!

It's not just about having a trade surplus tho (and not everyone can have one) it's about creating a financial system rigged in favour of those (few) countries that do have one

 

[weltweit]

Doesn't inward investment = selling off bits of the country?

No, in this case I would say that inward investment means building factories and employing people here rather than elsewhere in Europe.

 

[Pickman's model]

Actually it was £148m a day, my mistake.

Source: HM Government leaflet about the EU Referendum, Thursday, 23rd June 2016.

Actual text:

Over the last decade, foreign companies have invested £540 billion in the UK, equivalent to £148 million every day.

yeh but how much have they taken out?

 

[weltweit]

It's not just about having a trade surplus tho (and not everyone can have one) it's about creating a financial system rigged in favour of those (few) countries that do have one

If you could expand on that I would be obliged.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Germany does not chase a trade surplus for the sake of it, it has a trade surplus because it is good at manufacturing products that are in demand as exports. Britain could learn a lot about manufacturing from the Germans!

Pre-Thatcher, Britain and Germany were roughly equals in manufacturing. Thatcher fucked that.

As for a trade surplus, well, lending to others helps (in fact, you have little choice - you have to lend to them so that they can buy from you, like China does, and ultimately this is a contradiction), and so does being in the euro. Without the euro, the Deutchmark would sky-rocket in value and Germans would not be able to export so easily.

 

[weltweit]

Pre-Thatcher, Britain and Germany were roughly equals in manufacturing. Thatcher fucked that.

As for a trade surplus, well, lending to others helps (in fact, you have little choice - you have to lend to them so that they can buy from you, like China does, and ultimately this is a contradiction), and so does being in the euro. Without the euro, the Deutchmark would sky-rocket in value and Germans would not be able to export so easily.

I don't know when it changed but I like manufacturing, it is difficult but very rewarding. There is no doubt though that manufacturing is not valued in Britain at the moment and has not been for some time whereas in Germany it remains strong and a large source of their export success story.

Britain needs a thriving manufacturing industry, it pisses me off endlessly politicians arguing that we are now a service economy. Only because we didn't enable our manufacturing industry to succeed leading to its decline.

Is Britain's manufacturing sector so damaged it could never recover? or could it given the right environment?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Pre-Thatcher, Britain and Germany were roughly equals in manufacturing. Thatcher fucked that.

On purpose. As part of a conscious policy to further their class war.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I don't know when it changed but I like manufacturing, it is difficult but very rewarding. There is no doubt though that manufacturing is not valued in Britain at the moment and has not been for some time whereas in Germany it remains strong and a large source of their export success story.

Britain needs a thriving manufacturing industry, it pisses me off endlessly politicians arguing that we are now a service economy. Only because we didn't enable our manufacturing industry to succeed leading to its decline.

Is Britain's manufacturing sector so damaged it could never recover? or could it given the right environment?

Its dead as far as I'm aware. We manufacture a fair few high tech components and we also slot together a few cars but overall its fucked. We don't have the kit or the training.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

On purpose. As part of a conscious policy to further their class war.

Yep.

 

[two sheds]

No, in this case I would say that inward investment means building factories and employing people here rather than elsewhere in Europe.

Instead of us investing in building factories and employing people here, so that the benefits of the investment remained in the country.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't know when it changed but I like manufacturing, it is difficult but very rewarding. There is no doubt though that manufacturing is not valued in Britain at the moment and has not been for some time whereas in Germany it remains strong and a large source of their export success story.

Britain needs a thriving manufacturing industry, it pisses me off endlessly politicians arguing that we are now a service economy. Only because we didn't enable our manufacturing industry to succeed leading to its decline.

Is Britain's manufacturing sector so damaged it could never recover? or could it given the right environment?

As BS points out, though, this destruction was neither an accident nor a mistake. It was deliberate and served the ends of those who did it - those who are still in charge now.

 

[weltweit]

Its dead as far as I'm aware. We manufacture a fair few high tech components and we also slot together a few cars but overall its fucked. We don't have the kit or the training.

And yet we have phenomena like Dyson who started making vacuum cleaners from scratch and now has a team of hundreds of engineers in the UK while manufacturing itself is overseas. That alone proves that British companies can produce new manufactured goods and succeed with them even if not all the jobs are here.

 

[belboid]

If you could expand on that I would be obliged.

I will get you some good quotage when I'm home from work!

 

[weltweit]

As BS points out, though, this destruction was neither an accident nor a mistake. It was deliberate and served the ends of those who did it - those who are still in charge now.

They are blinkered, it is time we had government that comprehends manufacturing ..

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They are blinkered, it is time we had government that comprehends manufacturing ..

They're exceedingly rich. That's what they care about.