Tory UK EU Exit Referendum

[youngian]

Apologies if this has already been posted (it probably has), but Paul Mason captures the resigned, reluctant, fatalistic reasons I'll be wearily ticking the remain box (plenty of good facts here too.)

The leftwing case for Brexit (one day)

Short version - EU is shit, Boris run neo-liberal theme park/hell holewhich would happen if we left would be even shitter, and much so.

Not only is the Brexit left-wing flank crumbling but they're not even reaching out to the centre. Spare a thought for poor Nigel, he's waited for this gig all his life only to be swept aside and out-looned by the Tory headbangers doing an even worse job than he would.

I attended a referendum debate in which they'd toned down the immigrant rhetoric, focused on trade deals and inserted the caveat; "I love Europe but I'm anti-EU." Peter Lilley couldn't wait for the audience to hear all about his gite in France. It was like David Brent telling the black man in the office how much he liked Bob Marley.

 

[Greebozz]

Overlooking it's Rentool tweeting it...this is quite cute...

What if the old folk know a thing or two and you don't have to do resign yourself to wearily voting remain.

 

[Greebozz]

Thanks to brogdale for posting this earlier

 

[weltweit]

Johnson & Gove becoming the leading speakers for the brexit campaign has massively solidified my intention to vote remain. So if the country votes out they will be in charge, er - no - no thanks!

 

[kabbes]

What if the old folk know a thing or two and you don't have to do resign yourself to wearily voting remain.

What the fuck are you doing back here again, you whining little racist? You said you'd given up on this thread. For once, stick to a fucking promise.

 

[NoXion]

Johnson & Gove becoming the leading speakers for the brexit campaign has massively solidified my intention to vote remain. So if the country votes out they will be in charge, er - no - no thanks!

I eagerly await your decision to stop eating sugar because Hitler ate it. Unless you have reasons for voting remain that have nothing to do with personalities?

 

[weltweit]

I eagerly await your decision to stop eating sugar because Hitler ate it. Unless you have reasons for voting remain that have nothing to do with personalities?

Let it be known NoXion that it is you, not I, that has brought Hitler into this debate!

I have plenty of reasons to vote remain, Johnson and Gove being just one of many.

 

[YouSir]

Johnson & Gove becoming the leading speakers for the brexit campaign has massively solidified my intention to vote remain. So if the country votes out they will be in charge, er - no - no thanks!

Preferring instead David Cameron... Plus a Leave vote would be a huge boot to the ribs of the Tories. Boris may imagine that he's heir apparent but those on Cameron's side won't just disappear into the ether. Would make Labour's anti-Corbyn wing look like models of solidarity.

Besides, it won't always be a Tory government, being influenced by our current landscape is an easy way to miss the bigger point.

 

[NoXion]

Let it be known NoXion that it is you, not I, that has brought Hitler into this debate!

I have plenty of reasons to vote remain, Johnson and Gove being just one of many.

Why not mention them?

 

[weltweit]

.. Besides, it won't always be a Tory government, being influenced by our current landscape is an easy way to miss the bigger point.

I am voting on the bigger picture, whether to remain in the EU or not, no matter who is in power in the UK.

 

[weltweit]

Why not mention them?

I have mentioned many of my reasons already on this thread.

 

[J Ed]

 

[Greebozz]

It amazes me how some people express themselves, I wonder if they've ever been employed or partake in the real world. Because some people talk as if there whole world is hanging round the local skate park or playground, smoking crappy imitation drugs acting like plastic gangsters.

 

[kabbes]

It amazes me how some people express themselves, I wonder if they've ever been employed or partake in the real world. Because some people talk as if there whole world is hanging round the local skate park or playground, smoking crappy imitation drugs acting like plastic gangsters.

It amazes me how nasty little racists say their nasty little racist things and then act all injured and hurt when the people they have insulted respond in kind.

Now fuck off, like you promised.

 

[YouSir]

It amazes me how some people express themselves, I wonder if they've ever been employed or partake in the real world. Because some people talk as if there whole world is hanging round the local skate park or playground, smoking crappy imitation drugs acting like plastic gangsters.

Your derailing is getting fucking tiring.

 

[J Ed]

This person is contributing nothing and they are preventing serious discussion on an important topic.

 

[ruffneck23]

with most of us on ignore

 

[ruffneck23]

seriously tho, with regards to the tory personalities on each side, all of them are odious , hateful people but unfortunately this referendum is too important to let that get in the way , we have to look beyond that

 

[weltweit]

The personalities are one thing, but they are transitory. Britain has an enviable position in the EU, we did not join the euro which I think is a good thing, we did not embrace Schengen, also good, and now we have a referendum on the transfer of any further powers which is important.

For economic (single market) reasons I want to stay in, but I also want to stay in to be part of steering the EU in the future. Plenty have poo-poo'd the idea that the EU has helped cement peace on the continent but I believe it has and I want to continue working with our neighbours closely in the Union.

 

[gosub]

YouGov | Revealed: new evidence reveals greater skews in phone polls



Personally what I'm getting from the polling data is too close to call. Voteleavetakecontrol.org Traffic Statistics is more depressing

 

[weltweit]

There is only one poll that matters!

 

[gosub]

with most of us on ignore

temporarily applied the ignore people who've called greebozz racist/twat/cunt..or generally told him to fuck off.

J Ed, NoXion, weltwelt The comment must be aimed at one of you.

 

[gosub]

There is only one poll that matters!

Lech Wałęsa? or Pope John Paul 2?

 

[ruffneck23]

temporarily applied the ignore people who've called greebozz racist/twat/cunt..or generally told him to fuck off.

J Ed, NoXion, weltwelt The comment must be aimed at one of you.

no he ignored me yesterday, did you not see the 'Cherio' post he sent me ?

 

[gosub]

no he ignored me yesterday, did you not see the 'Cherio' post he sent me ?

Yep, I had you ticked when I did the ignore filter : the three listed are the only contributors whom have not been beastly

 

[andysays]

Johnson & Gove becoming the leading speakers for the brexit campaign has massively solidified my intention to vote remain. So if the country votes out they will be in charge, er - no - no thanks!

Johnson & Gove are both cunts, as are many other high-profile supporters of leaving the EU, but if the vote is to leave, neither they or any of the other cunts will automatically be "in charge".

 

[redsquirrel]

The personalities are one thing, but they are transitory. Britain has an enviable position in the EU, we did not join the euro which I think is a good thing, we did not embrace Schengen, also good, and now we have a referendum on the transfer of any further powers which is important.

For economic (single market) reasons I want to stay in, but I also want to stay in to be part of steering the EU in the future. Plenty have poo-poo'd the idea that the EU has helped cement peace on the continent but I believe it has and I want to continue working with our neighbours closely in the Union.

When does your application for the LibDems come through?

 

[Greebozz]

The personalities are one thing, but they are transitory. Britain has an enviable position in the EU, we did not join the euro which I think is a good thing, we did not embrace Schengen, also good, and now we have a referendum on the transfer of any further powers which is important.

For economic (single market) reasons I want to stay in, but I also want to stay in to be part of steering the EU in the future. Plenty have poo-poo'd the idea that the EU has helped cement peace on the continent but I believe it has and I want to continue working with our neighbours closely in the Union.

I agree particularly in terms of idiots on the UKIP side but if the vote is out they will no longer exist as a party and may also stop drawing votes away from Labour.

Personally I'm not sure about the argument of being in Europe, so we can "be at the table", the idea being that we can direct the direction of Europe.

As part of Europe we have one vote out of 27. This equates to a 3.57 percent controlling vote, is not a great deal to give up in return for complete control of our own destiny as a country. If the UK is out I think it will be old to react far faster to world situations compared to being suffocated in the vast bureaucracy of the EU

 

[ViolentPanda]

It amazes me how some people express themselves, I wonder if they've ever been employed or partake in the real world. Because some people talk as if there whole world is hanging round the local skate park or playground, smoking crappy imitation drugs acting like plastic gangsters.

Most people are capable of tailoring their self-expression to different situations, and do so. For you to draw inferences about them from how they represent themselves on the board is risible and juvenile.

In your case, I'd say exactly the same to you in real life, as I've said to you on here. I hate racism, and I've always been straightforward about calling racists out in public. Racists need to be shamed. YOU need to be shamed.

 

[Greebozz]

I'll just add, we've got pretty awful politicians running the country, but that could change we can have good politicians the make Britain fairer and care about the environment, we could outdo Europe in terms of all the good things that they have helped with in terms of protecting workers and the environment. To me there is an exciting future compared to the alternative, the depression of everything being bogged down, endless bickering and arguments between member states of the EU and the feeling of utter powerlessness.