I thought the thinking behind this was particularly odious (it doesn't *seem* to be an April Fool):
Is it S&M related?
I thought the thinking behind this was particularly odious (it doesn't *seem* to be an April Fool):
Is it S&M related?
I'm not, I am definitely voting remain. The cost of being in is small, the economic benefits are massive, free movement of people is not to be underestimated as a benefit, and my lack of trust in our own politicians to do what is right for us rather than them, is more than outweighed by my feeling that the general will of the European member states to a future of trust, mutual cooperation and peace is a good thing.I'm still undecided.
people trot this line out all the time as if its a truism that we're a nation of stoic unchanging people when history- recent history too- shows this to be a lieBrits arent into any kind of radical change
i got some shite pushed through my letterbox tooI got my Bremain booklet from the gummint today.
yeh but this only shows the paucity of your imagination and of your political nous.I'm not, I am definitely voting remain. The cost of being in is small, the economic benefits are massive, free movement of people is not to be underestimated as a benefit, and my lack of trust in our own politicians to do what is right for us rather than them, is more than outweighed by my feeling that the general will of the European member states to a future of trust, mutual cooperation and peace is a good thing.
who cares?The other Miliband has pronounced: Brexit 'an act of arson on the international order'. I've not read it so not sure whether that means he's for or against, though.
The other Miliband has pronounced: Brexit 'an act of arson on the international order'. I've not read it so not sure whether that means he's for or against, though.
he's mentioned 'our enemies' a lot there. Oh and 'our place at the negotiating table'The other Miliband has pronounced: Brexit 'an act of arson on the international order'. I've not read it so not sure whether that means he's for or against, though.
He's just arson about.The other Miliband has pronounced: Brexit 'an act of arson on the international order'. I've not read it so not sure whether that means he's for or against, though.
I have polled myself and found that today I am:
REMAIN 34 (+5)
LEAVE 28 (-3)
DON'T KNOW 38 (-2)
(Movements since last poll one week ago)
6 months of a real propaganda assault- this one seems a bit half hearted doesn't it? too busy crying over taxes lol. Then a re-ask.If we vote leave who here thinks we won't just be asked to vote again?
If we vote leave who here thinks we won't just be asked to vote again?
I don't think so. It would happen if Westminster was largely in agreement with remaining but divided as it is I don't see it happening.
Or I am one of the few that isn't overthinking the issue.yeh but this only shows the paucity of your imagination and of your political nous.
if there's a vote to leave, the people like nigel farage have got what they want and are very likely to find the dish not to their taste. what does ukip have to offer once this is over? fuck all, really. all the people who have nailed their right wing colours to the exit mast will, i believe, struggle to remain relevant post-referendum. nigel farage will be spending more time with his pint.
I don't think this is realistic. I see the likely change in Britain after an out vote being one of dismantling the social chapter, after all we have to compete in the world! The partial retreat into little Englander ish behaviour, the exodus of the remaining manufacturing, led by the automotive sector, and the likely loss of Scotland meaning a Tory England or rump is more likely.what an exit vote would throw up is a new political situation in which more progressive forces might do very well. we know we won't get socialism through europe, we know the eu would stifle any attempts at real change (see e.g. greece), but we don't know what a bit of hard work might produce in a new political reality in which the tories and ukip are struggling to adjust to.
come come no one could ever accused you of overthought.Or I am one of the few that isn't overthinking the issue.
it's not just farage, it's the whole tory brexit crew.I wouldn't want to vote out just to reduce Farage's influence. Farage isn't at all relevant to my thinking, imo he is wholly irrelevant.
Would actually be sensible. Gear up for EFTA membership, put it to a vote and cauterize the Farage immigration lead lot.If we vote leave who here thinks we won't just be asked to vote again?
Johnson has already said that we could use a leave vote to leverage concessions and then have another vote and he's with leave.