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Tory UK EU Exit Referendum

No wonder they seem to be worrying...

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I'm still undecided.
I'm not, I am definitely voting remain. The cost of being in is small, the economic benefits are massive, free movement of people is not to be underestimated as a benefit, and my lack of trust in our own politicians to do what is right for us rather than them, is more than outweighed by my feeling that the general will of the European member states to a future of trust, mutual cooperation and peace is a good thing.
 
Not gonna happen anyway.

Brits arent into any kind of radical change. Not even gonna be as close as the Scotland vote. Not when the big guns are getting their letters to employees out etc.
 
Brits arent into any kind of radical change
people trot this line out all the time as if its a truism that we're a nation of stoic unchanging people when history- recent history too- shows this to be a lie

previously I'd have agreed that the 'big guns' and project fear etc would be sure to cause a narrow remain. But after this tax scandal I'm not so sure. They look weak.
 
I'm not, I am definitely voting remain. The cost of being in is small, the economic benefits are massive, free movement of people is not to be underestimated as a benefit, and my lack of trust in our own politicians to do what is right for us rather than them, is more than outweighed by my feeling that the general will of the European member states to a future of trust, mutual cooperation and peace is a good thing.
yeh but this only shows the paucity of your imagination and of your political nous.

if there's a vote to leave, the people like nigel farage have got what they want and are very likely to find the dish not to their taste. what does ukip have to offer once this is over? fuck all, really. all the people who have nailed their right wing colours to the exit mast will, i believe, struggle to remain relevant post-referendum. nigel farage will be spending more time with his pint.

what an exit vote would throw up is a new political situation in which more progressive forces might do very well. we know we won't get socialism through europe, we know the eu would stifle any attempts at real change (see e.g. greece), but we don't know what a bit of hard work might produce in a new political reality in which the tories and ukip are struggling to adjust to.
 
If we vote leave who here thinks we won't just be asked to vote again?

I don't think so. It would happen if Westminster was largely in agreement with remaining but divided as it is I don't see it happening.
 
I don't think so. It would happen if Westminster was largely in agreement with remaining but divided as it is I don't see it happening.

Johnson has already said that we could use a leave vote to leverage concessions and then have another vote and he's with leave.
 
yeh but this only shows the paucity of your imagination and of your political nous.
Or I am one of the few that isn't overthinking the issue.

if there's a vote to leave, the people like nigel farage have got what they want and are very likely to find the dish not to their taste. what does ukip have to offer once this is over? fuck all, really. all the people who have nailed their right wing colours to the exit mast will, i believe, struggle to remain relevant post-referendum. nigel farage will be spending more time with his pint.

I wouldn't want to vote out just to reduce Farage's influence. Farage isn't at all relevant to my thinking, imo he is wholly irrelevant.

what an exit vote would throw up is a new political situation in which more progressive forces might do very well. we know we won't get socialism through europe, we know the eu would stifle any attempts at real change (see e.g. greece), but we don't know what a bit of hard work might produce in a new political reality in which the tories and ukip are struggling to adjust to.
I don't think this is realistic. I see the likely change in Britain after an out vote being one of dismantling the social chapter, after all we have to compete in the world! The partial retreat into little Englander ish behaviour, the exodus of the remaining manufacturing, led by the automotive sector, and the likely loss of Scotland meaning a Tory England or rump is more likely.
 
Johnson has already said that we could use a leave vote to leverage concessions and then have another vote and he's with leave.

Yeah but only in a half hearted what's best for my career way. I really think this is a massive issue for a lot of tories and their supporters. If the out's won and a tory pm tried to get a re-vote it would break the party in half. I just can't see it, unless of course the EU came begging with loads of freebies which isn't going to happen.
 
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