J Ed
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He is also a, you know, liar
Tory UK EU Exit Referendum
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He is also a, you know, liar
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
No, not the greatest of victories, certainly. A win though. (I do note the smaller margin in the second win. At that rate Livingston would have beeen mayor in a decade or two.)
Do you have the actual numbers?
Hang on a moment, surely you don't support Livingston?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Shows how bereft of quality the electoral process is, when a no-mark with good PR can become Mayor of London pretty much based on a pre-election tidal wave of publicity from the right-wing press.
It's not an insult to Londoners (although many more of us didn't vote for Johnson, than did), at all.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Is he another NAZI?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Sasaferrato's enemies - doctors, the SNP, Labour
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
He wasn't elected by a "majority of Londoners", you tedious, pensionable reactionary. He was elected by a majority of those who voted. That does not, ipso facto, translate to "a majority of Londoners".
andysays
Love and solidarity
No, I'm not saying anything of the sort.
What I will say is that Boris Johnson's influence is based primarily on his celebrity status and media profile, and the fact that he's been (fairly narrowly) elected Mayor of London twice doesn't make him the sort of serious or genuinely influential politician you seem to think it does.
Plenty of non-Urban Londoners I know share my opinion of him, and his decision to support Leave will make fuck all difference to them either way.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
To be Mayor of London over Boris? Despite Livington's faults, yeah, any day. Livingston did a fucking good job I thought as Mayor - better imo than Boris has.
(and given that you continue to refer to the SNP as Nazi's, I'm not really sure I should worry too much about your judgement either way)
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It's no different to the supreme court overturning a crown court decision, unless you're a xenophobe. The only thing which should matter is a fair and just decision being made, not who makes it. But that would require taking each case on its merits rather than making grand sweeping statements about Johnny Foreigner interfering in Proper British Justice.
e2a: I doubt it's coincidence that so many of the cases that have right wingers up in arms about the supposed tyranny of human rights are those which involve the rights of foreign nationals.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Scottish Nazi Party -> over 50% of the vote
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Your name too will be on the list!
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Have you read any of Boris's books? His fiction makes Dick Francis look like a master of imaginative prose. His attempts at autobiography invariably get torn to pieces as fiction by his biographers. His political writings are poorer and even less analytic than Thatcher's.
I don't pretend to be a politician, but I know plenty of former and present councillors (of all parties), and a couple of former MPs, and they all worked and work a lot harder than that money-grabbing, sexually-incontinent egotist. He's a show-boater and a self-publicist whom London would be well shot of.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Not a great deal you can do about it. You need a majority of the elected politicians to pass legislation, and that isn't going to happen any time soon.
It's a democracy. You don't like some of the things your government does, but unless you have majority support, it isn't going to change. The fact that a hell of a lot of the population doesn't know the difference between the ECHR and the European Court of Justice doesn't help either. I heard a muppet on the TV just a few moments ago, citing the ECHR as the reason he wants the UK to leave the EU.
I do not like the EU one little bit, however, if we leave, I really don't see a lot changing. If you want to trade in the EU, you have to demonstrate that you meet their requirements, which is the same shit, but without even the whisper of a voice we have now. I also don't think that trading with EU post exit, would be quite as cosy an arrangement as the 'Out' campaign are peddling. There would be nothing to stop the EU slapping whopping iomport levies on our goods and services. I doubt if the City would do well either, it could easily be replaced with Paris and Frankfurt. If it became more expensive to trade in London, the money would leave.
There is also the point that practically fuck all of British industry (such as it is) is British owned. Without unfettered access to the EU markets, how long would Nissan or Honda, for example, stay here?
I could kill Cameron for this*. He had no need to promise a referendum. We are now headed hell-wards on the proverbial handcart.
*Metaphorically.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The whole thing, probably, as I doubt he's actually read the Charter.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
You really love him, deep down?
(I have this vision of you physically foaming at the mouth.
You feel about Boris what I feel about the SNSP.)
youngian
Well-Known Member
Even the penny is dropping among Tories that Johnson is a self-serving mediocre narcissist.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Wanting out of the council of Europe places him well to the end of the swivel-eyed spectrum.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
It all you Marxist cunt.
Stop being childish. There is no need for 'ad hom', apart from which, you are wrong, I am neither a member, or supporter, of the Conservative party. I was, until Cameron/Clegg came along. The welfare reforms in particular, and the absolutely dishonest way that they are being applied is nauseating.
I will not support the Conservative party again until this current lot are gone, and as they are all younger than me, it will be never.
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J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Punctuation.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Voting for Boris was an insult to London, so if one of my city-kin did so they are fully deserving of insulting.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Sass never resorts to abuse you know!
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I have. I'm not in the habit of opposing things I haven't read.
The Charter chapters themselves are one thing, the judges interpretation is something else. Some of the judgements have been absolutely perverse.
Were it possible, I would ditch the court, but keep the Charter, but enforced by our Supreme Court.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Half an hour ago you said you wanted to ditch the Convention; all of it.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Uh huh, however, perhaps not with the most thumping of margins, Boris won.
One of the reasons I detest the far left is their inability to combine under one banner, write a hymn sheet and sing from it.
Many of the ideas of the 'far left' are far from loony. An emphasis on building affordable housing, proper payment in employment, a real effort against the tax dodgers amongst other things. Why can't the FL combine? Genuine question. Surely you can see that 1 x 1000 is more effective that 10 x 50? Greater mass, pooled resources...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
A case in point regarding Livingstone doing a good job: Prior to the 2008 Mayoral election, he'd set aside a fairly large sum of money for feasibility studies regarding making London Underground and London Overground more accessible to those of us who don't have perfect health; use wheelchairs or have small children in buggies. Boris axed it and, despite strong and consistent lobbying, has done the sum of fuck-all, given that the bus companies had already signed up to all new stock being of the accessible variety.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Irony passes like a flighting grouse...
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Watching Boris blustering and bumbling his way through Mayor's Question Time is just fucking embarrassing.
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