The UK Should adopt Islamic Culture?

[trashpony]

Your 'Headline' doesn't quite match the headline of the story you link to.

Could you please find a quote that says we should adopt what ever you think is 'Islamic Culture'?

Thanks.

Still waiting ...

 

[Dillinger4]

What so-called extreme views were these?

Non-Western centric ones, I imagine. It doesn't really matter what they are, does it?

 

[Astramax]

There is a lot of anti Islamic feeling in the UK at the moment and comparing the UK to Nazi Germany is hardly going to win this guy and the group that he heads much sympathy.

I also found the way he defended extremist books in mosques as free speech, but wanted Rushdie novels “pulped” rather hypocritical.

 

[invisibleplanet]

Still waiting ...

Yes, me too.

Come on, Astramax, where is it mentioned?

 

[Dillinger4]

There is a lot of anti Islamic feeling in the UK at the moment and comparing the UK to Nazi Germany is hardly going to win this guy and the group that he heads much sympathy.

I also found the way he defended extremist books in mosques as free speech, but wanted Rushdie novels “pulped” rather hypocritical.

Should I read that as "I just made up a load of bullshit to justify a whole other lot of made up bullshit?"

 

[chymaera]

What so-called extreme views were these?

Adopting anything from any religion I find an extremist view especially if it is to be applied to all of the population and not just those of a particular faith.

 

[invisibleplanet]

There is a lot of anti Islamic feeling in the UK at the moment and comparing the UK to Nazi Germany is hardly going to win this guy and the group that he heads much sympathy.

Media & social demonisation of Islam has won plenty of sympathy from Jewish communities across UK -so much so that Jews and Muslims have, in the last 10 months:

Formed a joint radio station: http://www.salaamshalom.org.uk/
Formed a Centre for the Study of Muslim-Jewish relations in the UK: http://www.woolfinstitute.cam.ac.uk/cmjr/index.php

 

[invisibleplanet]

Adopting anything from any religion I find an extremist view especially if it is to be applied to all of the population and not just those of a particular faith.

You haven't answered my question.

 

[Dillinger4]

You haven't answered my question.

I don't think answering questions is quite his style.

 

[chymaera]

You haven't answered my question.

I thought it a precise answer. I don't want any faith based laws and regulations adopted to apply to the population as a whole.

 

[yield]

There is a lot of anti Islamic feeling in the UK at the moment and comparing the UK to Nazi Germany is hardly going to win this guy and the group that he heads much sympathy.

I also found the way he defended extremist books in mosques as free speech, but wanted Rushdie novels “pulped” rather hypocritical.

Godwin's Law! Yes, keep think of that famour Martin Niemöller quote. "First they came for the..."

He is entitled to say he wants Rushdie's books pulped. Just as you are entitled to disagree with him. Are you saying he has broken the law? That he is inciting hatred or something?

 

[Dillinger4]

Godwin's Law! Yes, keep think of that famour Martin Niemöller quote. "First they came for the..."

He is entitled to say he wants Rushdie's books pulped. Just as you are entitled to disagree with him. Are you saying he has broken the law? That he is inciting hatred or something?

I suspect astramax has a problem just with muslims. He probably reads about them occasionally in the newspaper, and sometimes sees the stories on the news.

 

[invisibleplanet]

I thought it a precise answer. I don't want any faith based laws and regulations adopted to apply to the population as a whole.

You still haven't answered my question. I'm waiting for you to reveal the views he espoused, not tell us of your reaction to them.

 

[Dillinger4]

You still haven't answered my question. I'm waiting for you to reveal the views he espoused, not tell us of your reaction to them.

Its funny. I imagine Chymaera would criticize the inability have a straight answer, if it were from a politician.

 

[chymaera]

You still haven't answered my question. I'm waiting for you to reveal the views he espoused, not tell us of your reaction to them.

It does not matter what views he espoused, law and regulations in this country are the result of democracy. Any view that is anti-democratic is an extremist one.

 

[Dillinger4]

It does not matter what views he espoused, law and regulations in this country are the result of democracy. Any view that is anti-democratic is an extremist one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=EVATRYAPB4WS1QFIQMGSFFWAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/11/10/nbari110.xml

Here is the link to the article.

Please point out which parts are 'Anti-Democratic' and/or 'Extremist'.

I would go as far to say as you have not read the article.

In fact, I am thinking you have just heard he is a Muslim and assumed it.

EDIT - This post is ignoring the obivous logical fallacies you are displaying.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

And this baffoon wonders why the UK is so anti-islamic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...FWAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/11/10/nbari110.xml

Buffoon, you baffoon. And does he wonder? Or does he wonder quite how spectactularly you missed the point, any point, you're pointless my son. We can learn from each other, it's not that difficult a concept.

 

[Astramax]

Godwin's Law! Yes, keep think of that famour Martin Niemöller quote. "First they came for the..."

He is entitled to say he wants Rushdie's books pulped. Just as you are entitled to disagree with him. Are you saying he has broken the law? That he is inciting hatred or something?

No I’m saying he is a hypocrite, books he agrees with (i.e those calling for homosexuals to be hung and unmarried mothers stoned to death) he calls freedom of expression and allows them to be sold in a mosque he chairs. A rather long and dull novel buy some guy he does not like that he find offensive he wants band.

Do you find it that hard to spot the issue with that?

 

[invisibleplanet]

I was surprised Dr Bari was allowed to air some of his more extreme views on BBC News 24 today, the day before Rememberance Day.
Given the number of people who have died defending the British way of life I found it insulting.

It does not matter what views he espoused, law and regulations in this country are the result of democracy. Any view that is anti-democratic is an extremist one.

And this is you advocating he not be allowed to air his views and at the same time calling him anti-democratic. Give proof. What are the views - and don't wriggle out of it.

Tell us what they are, so we can judge for ourselves whether they're extreme, or not. They might be socially conservative, morally old-fashioned, typically religious. They might not be extremist - we have only your word for that.

 

[Dillinger4]

No I’m saying he is a hypocrite, books he agrees with (i.e those calling for homosexuals to be hung and unmarried mothers stoned to death) he calls freedom of expression and allows them to be sold in a mosque he chairs. A rather long and dull novel buy some guy he does not like that he find offensive he wants band.

Do you find it that hard to spot the issue with that?

I bet you have read neither the Koran or Salman Rushdie.

You don't even know what you are talking about.

 

[chymaera]

And this is you advocating he not be allowed to air his views and at the same time calling him anti-democratic. Give proof. What are the views - and don't wriggle out of it.

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No proof is necessary if he wishes to get aspects of Islam adopted nationally put up candidates for election.

 

[Astramax]

Buffoon, you baffoon. And does he wonder? Or does he wonder quite how spectactularly you missed the point, any point, you're pointless my son. We can learn from each other, it's not that difficult a concept.

And what do you think the UK can learn from the Islamic World that would be of value?

 

[Astramax]

"I bet you have read neither the Koran or Salman Rushdie.

You don't even know what you are talking about."

You very assumptions of people you know nothing about. I read both in the 1980s long before the turn of current world events.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

And what do you think the UK can learn from the Islamic World that would be of value?

Sharing your wealth through alms for those in poorer situations than yourself for example.

 

[Dillinger4]

You very assumptions of people you know nothing about. I read both in the 1980s long before the turn of current world events.

Yeh? What happened since? Or have you always been an idiot?

I think its pretty hypocritical of you to accuse others of 'making assumptions'.

 

[invisibleplanet]

Sharing your wealth through alms for those in poorer situations than yourself for example.

Yes, this is one of the wonderful social-responsiblity aspects of Islam - Judaism has this enshrined in religious law too

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Yes, this is a fantastic aspect of Islam - Judaism has this enshrined in religious law too

You'd think it would be common sense really.

 

[Astramax]

Sharing your wealth through alms for those in poorer situations than yourself for example.

So the UK doesn’t do charity then?

Are you telling me that the Islamic world gives more to Africa, or victims of natural disasters like the Tsunami a couple of Boxing days ago?

 

[invisibleplanet]

No proof is necessary if he wishes to get aspects of Islam adopted nationally put up candidates for election.

Yes it is necessary.

Tell us the views he espoused. I'm beginning to think that you daren't tell us because the reality is different from the chymæric interpretation.

 

[Dillinger4]

They are both charlatans.