The debt the British people owe to Gerry Adams...
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No stop making Adams out to be some sort of saint.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
true , she won hands down in the end . Got exactly what she wanted . 10 Hungerstrikers died agonizing deaths to stand in the way of British Ulsterisation , normalisation and criminalisation policies . Adams gifted them everything on a plate . All for sweet fuck all . Stormont operating is one thing but sinn fein fucking sitting in it is a sick joke .
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
To be fair, Gerry isn't even "a very naughty boy", let alone the Messiah.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Point out any post on this thread that makes him out to be a saint, then.
We both know that you can't though, don't we?
Now fuck off and learn some punctuation.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The process started way back in (IIRC) '72, and never really stopped. It stuttered numerous times, but lines of communication were almost always kept open.
The title of this thread. Gerry Adams fan boys, chip on your shoulder 2nd/3rd/4th generation irish =). Away and fuck yourself over my grammar =p
framed
Leave it!
It's not only the British people who owe Adams a debt.
I think Liam Adams owes a huge debt to his brother Gerry, but he owes a whole lot more to the daughter that he raped from the age of 4.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8424502.stm
I think Liam Adams owes a huge debt to his brother Gerry, but he owes a whole lot more to the daughter that he raped from the age of 4.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8424502.stm
framed
Leave it!
Can you tell me why mention of Liam Adams is not permitted and was deleted from this thread. If the British people owe Adams a debt then surely the biggest individual debt owed to him is by his brother? Liam owes Gerry big time for protecting him for years against allegations of raping his own daughter, which amounted to Liam being moved around various areas that were dominated by Sinn Fein's, kept in IRA safe houses, etc.
Follow the timeline and the allegations which are in the public domain to see 'who owes who'.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8424502.stm
Follow the timeline and the allegations which are in the public domain to see 'who owes who'.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8424502.stm
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Reda the thread title in context with the opening post, Norbert.
There aren't any "fan boy" comments on this thread. That's the point of it.
You or me? If you're talking about me, that's about 1600 miles/2500km too far west for my ancestors.
If you're talking about yourself, so what if you're a plastic?
No, I don't think so, I'd much rather take the piss out of you about it.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
People in glasshouses....
When you have been here for a while you will learn the difference between a typo and bad grammar.
Sticking up for your mate. Admirable.
Deareg
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Merely pointing out the difference, if I hadn't someone else would have.
Aye pal keep telling yourself that.
Deareg
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Ok.
Deareg
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Scumbag Nationalist, or scumbag Republican?
Since you asked so nicely.
Same thing if you think about it.
Deareg
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No it's not, at least the Nationalist and Republican parts are not. Would you care to explain? Or would you find that too difficult?
Would you care to explain to me the difference? The republicans want a 'united ireland' and a lot of their supporters want 'the brits out now' which also to some includes the protestants who came over hundreds of years ago. The 'IRA' fought a national liberation struggle. I fail to see even if they get a united Ireland how this would benefit the working class in Northern Ireland and Ireland as they would still be living under the same rules of capitalism, unless they think if they got the tricolour flying from stormont everything is suddenly going to become rosey. Can you see where I am coming from?
Deareg
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What's yours?
Deareg
Well-Known Member
Nationalist, is a term used to describe anyone in the 6 counties who regards themselves as Irish, usually Catholics, not all would automatically be in favour of a United Ireland.
Republican usually refers to those who support a physical approach to achieving a United Ireland though that has changed a bit with Sinn Fein's participation in the current political climate. I have never heard anyone advocate removing the Protestants from Ireland, that is a myth perpetuated by the DUP and Loyalists.
grit
an ugly force for good
FTFY
petee
no gods, no malarkey
so, small-n nationalists.
i'll leave it to allybaba then, who's doing nicely.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
In the context of NI, during the troubles:
Nationalist = wanted a united Ireland through constitutional means. The Nationalist SDLP advocated a 'middle way', did they not, seeking a role for both the Republic and the UK in governing NI?
Republican = sought a united Ireland through armed struggle.
Unionist = wanted NI to remain part of UK with no role for the Republic in its affairs
Loyalist = fought an armed struggle to keep NI part of the UK
That's how I understand it. Is that wrong?
During the Troubles, the SDLP always gained a larger proportion of the vote than Sinn Fein, suggesting that most NI Catholics favoured their approach to winning civil rights over the IRA's methods. Now, Sinn Fein is the larger party, just as the DUP is larger now than the UUP. But Sinn Fein has now accepted the 'principle of consent' that the SDLP had advocated for many years before the Troubles ended, which effectively guarantees that NI will remain part of the UK for the foreseeable future.
So it seems that Sinn Fein got it wrong, that they eventually had to accept a principle that they had poured scorn on, that the SDLP was the best voice for NI Catholics during the Troubles, and that most NI Catholics thought this too. I'm still a little puzzled as to the nature of this debt that is owed to Gerry Adams. As pointed out above, you could equally demand recognition of a debt to Major or even to Thatcher, yet Thatcher rejected the SDLP's ideas outright. I would argue that she prolonged the Troubles, whatever her role in their eventual end. I think I would argue the same about Gerry Adams.
Nationalist = wanted a united Ireland through constitutional means. The Nationalist SDLP advocated a 'middle way', did they not, seeking a role for both the Republic and the UK in governing NI?
Republican = sought a united Ireland through armed struggle.
Unionist = wanted NI to remain part of UK with no role for the Republic in its affairs
Loyalist = fought an armed struggle to keep NI part of the UK
That's how I understand it. Is that wrong?
During the Troubles, the SDLP always gained a larger proportion of the vote than Sinn Fein, suggesting that most NI Catholics favoured their approach to winning civil rights over the IRA's methods. Now, Sinn Fein is the larger party, just as the DUP is larger now than the UUP. But Sinn Fein has now accepted the 'principle of consent' that the SDLP had advocated for many years before the Troubles ended, which effectively guarantees that NI will remain part of the UK for the foreseeable future.
So it seems that Sinn Fein got it wrong, that they eventually had to accept a principle that they had poured scorn on, that the SDLP was the best voice for NI Catholics during the Troubles, and that most NI Catholics thought this too. I'm still a little puzzled as to the nature of this debt that is owed to Gerry Adams. As pointed out above, you could equally demand recognition of a debt to Major or even to Thatcher, yet Thatcher rejected the SDLP's ideas outright. I would argue that she prolonged the Troubles, whatever her role in their eventual end. I think I would argue the same about Gerry Adams.
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