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The debt the British people owe to Gerry Adams...

You're reading way too much into it, I would reckon.

That particular post was written in that way to provoke a certain response, a bit like your OP. ;)

In this case, as was signalled by the 'maybe's, it isn't necessarily a firm opinion, but was posted to invite a rebuttal. Would you like to rebut it?
 
Yawn.

Yous 8 Dens are a busted flush. Bored with you now. Toodle pip and i hope life brings you all some peace and happiness soon.

I never quite understand when Liam peppers his prose with all these "toodle pips" and "old chaps" when giving someone he disagrees with the brush off. Does it signify anything? :confused:
 
You're reading way too much into it, I would reckon.

That particular post was written in that way to provoke a certain response, a bit like your OP. ;)

In this case, as was signalled by the 'maybe's, it isn't necessarily a firm opinion, but was posted to invite a rebuttal. Would you like to rebut it?

Nah. Couldn't be arsed, tbh.

Thanks for clarifying the 'change of tack'. I was a little puzzled.

Who was it meant to draw into a fiery response, btw? Me? Or maybe it was for some 'hear hears' from the IRTA (Irish Revisionist Troll Army) :)
 
((((((((((Ah, Jer.)))))))))))

Hope you had a pleasant afternoon, dear chap. Wishing you a wonderful evening. Toodles.
 
may (the) god(s) bless you and save you, my troubled children

Does anyone else follow your posting style? Pages upon pages of abuse, including suggestions that posters are drunk or mentally ill.

The a couple of pages of this fake piousness before something is said, that releases the inner lunatic in you, and you go back to the abuse.

And you suggest other posters have split personalties.
 
I owe Jerry Adams £6.99 because I read his book but didn't buy it.
 
Does anyone else follow your posting style? Pages upon pages of abuse, including suggestions that posters are drunk or mentally ill.

The a couple of pages of this fake piousness before something is said, that releases the inner lunatic in you, and you go back to the abuse.

And you suggest other posters have split personalties.

You are in no place to point the finger because you have your own track record of abuse, insults and attempts at sarcasm instead of arguing your position and also dragging arguments across threads.
 
You are in no place to point the finger because you have your own track record of abuse, insults and attempts at sarcasm instead of arguing your position and also dragging arguments across threads.

But then I don't go around the place offering forgiveness and blessings to those I abused and attacked.

I maybe an obnoxious cunt , but at least I'm consistent.
 
Strange that those resident in the 6 counties seem to be in broad agreement..
Yet those in the Free State and some in England disagree with this..
Go figure?
 
Strange that those resident in the 6 counties seem to be in broad agreement..
Yet those in the Free State and some in England disagree with this..
Go figure?

Go figure indeed.

Btw AKA, I think I know what you are refering to here but could you specify what it is you think they 'disagree with' before somebody (can't think who...) takes us off on another detour. Thanks
 
the British army did nothing to protect Catholics from Protestant bullets.

wht your staistics eglect to mention though is that the British army mostly supplied the bullets used to kill those catholics , along with the guns . And that army agents either carried out the killings themselves or co-ordinated the killers .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2003/apr/17/guardianobituaries.northernireland

He performed his delicate and dangerous new task with great enthusiasm. His house and car, plus £200 a week expenses, were paid for by the British army (the British taxpayer). In 1987, soon after his recruitment, Nelson went to South Africa to shop for arms for the UDA and supervised the shipment of two huge batches of arms


The policy of consistent collusion between British army special forces and Orange assassins was bitterly opposed in the 1970s by Colin Wallace, an army information officer at Lisburn with strong connections to intelligence, and Fred Holroyd, a British military intelligence officer in Northern Ireland. Both men were denounced and sacked.
 
they seemed to protect this chap from bullets though

http://www.irishdemocrat.co.uk/book-reviews/serrated-edge/

Among other interesting revelations about Nelson was how the FRU used him to foil an attack on Gerry Adams in 1984. The attack was launched by UFF gunmen on the Sinn Fein leader as he approached the court building in Belfast. According to Ingram "FRU officers 'jarked' the weapons - which involved reducing the charge in the bullets and thereby reducing their impact when fired."


Anyone whos even remotely aware of Dirty Harry films would know that if your hit in the neck at almost point blank range with a .44 magnum its quite likely your head would come off . Gerrys head still seems to be there though . And I doubt its because of his brass neck .
 
they seemed to protect this chap from bullets though

http://www.irishdemocrat.co.uk/book-reviews/serrated-edge/

Among other interesting revelations about Nelson was how the FRU used him to foil an attack on Gerry Adams in 1984. The attack was launched by UFF gunmen on the Sinn Fein leader as he approached the court building in Belfast. According to Ingram "FRU officers 'jarked' the weapons - which involved reducing the charge in the bullets and thereby reducing their impact when fired."


Anyone whos even remotely aware of Dirty Harry films would know that if your hit in the neck at almost point blank range with a .44 magnum its quite likely your head would come off . Gerrys head still seems to be there though . And I doubt its because of his brass neck .

please clarify what you are inferring here CR.

If it is what I think it is, we should meet and toast your graduation into full-blown conspiraloon.

I am fully aware that british spooks are capable of anything, so please don't insult my intelligence with a rant about what they are capable of. Just explain what you mean above. Thank You.
 
please clarify what you are inferring here CR.

If it is what I think it is, we should meet and toast your graduation into full-blown conspiraloon.

It might not be as mad as you think Liam, and he is far from being on his own in believing it.
 
they seemed to protect this chap from bullets though

http://www.irishdemocrat.co.uk/book-reviews/serrated-edge/

Among other interesting revelations about Nelson was how the FRU used him to foil an attack on Gerry Adams in 1984. The attack was launched by UFF gunmen on the Sinn Fein leader as he approached the court building in Belfast. According to Ingram "FRU officers 'jarked' the weapons - which involved reducing the charge in the bullets and thereby reducing their impact when fired."


Anyone whos even remotely aware of Dirty Harry films would know that if your hit in the neck at almost point blank range with a .44 magnum its quite likely your head would come off . Gerrys head still seems to be there though . And I doubt its because of his brass neck .

Reducing the powder charge is a practice with a long history. Mossad used it to great effect in the '70s when carrying out hits on foreign turf. The problem is that while you reduce the loudness of the shot, you also reduce the velocity of the bullet. Mossad had the added problem that their favoured weapon of the time, the Beretta m82 7.65mm (.32 ACP) sometimes didn't cycle the action. Not a worry with a revolver, though, and as suppressors/silencers have marginal functionality on revolvers (despite what Hollywood would have us believe), reducing the powder charge makes sense if (and only if) you're shooting your target at close quarters (whatever the calibre of the firearm).

Oh, and the "Dirty Harry" stuff? Only true if you're firing standard loads (i.e. standard powder charge and "lead" bullet. A fully-jacketed bullet won't leave the massive exit wound that a lead projectile will, because it won't break up on contact with the target (although that produces its' own set of problems).
 
if you took all the powder out a primer would make a gun and launch the bullet and hopefully be non lethal

although earlier on in the thread somebody justified massacring 10 protestants as stopping further murders of catholics.
if you were a spook ramping up loyalist violence could be a way of putting pressure on the provos to be serious about the peace talks.
 
VP - I thought that part of the reason for the large exit wound was to do with the spinning of the bullet and the way it caught up the insides as it went through.

However, I've never fired a bullet at a tim or a proddy, just what I picked up someplace along the line.
 
VP - I thought that part of the reason for the large exit wound was to do with the spinning of the bullet and the way it caught up the insides as it went through.

However, I've never fired a bullet at a tim or a proddy, just what I picked up someplace along the line.

Hmm, some explanation needed.
All modern forearms except shotguns have a rifled bore (look down the barrel and you'll see twisting lands and grooves) this imparts spin along the central longitudinal axis of the bullet and helps it retain accuracy in flight. This does not cause an enlarged exit wound.
Some firearms, most notoriously the M16 assault rifle, use a round that can, in some conditions, "tumble", i.e. spin along its' longitudinal axis, but also wobble as gravity and friction lessen it's ability to spin along the longitudinal axis. If this happens, you have large entry and exit wounds.

In terms of the penetrative and damage-doing qualities of different types of rounds, a "lead" (usually an alloy containing lead and other metals, not pure Pb) round will enter the body cleanly, but will break up on impact with any solid mass such as bone, and the fragments can be either widely deflected, resulting in you having bits of bullet lodged in you, or exiting you at widely-differing points, or can be narrowly-deflected and exit you en masse at a broad focal point, leaving a crater where your flesh used to be.
Fully-jacketed rounds (as used by regular military forces and many police forces) make clean entry wounds, smash through bone and organs, but leave relatively (and bear that word in mind) tidy exit wounds.
The real bastards are jacketed hollow point rounds, which have all the penetrative abilities of a fully-jacketed round, but with the added nastiness of the "mushroom" effect caused by the lead alloy core of the bullet being accelerated and starting to leave the metal jacket as soon as the bullet hits the target
 
if you took all the powder out a primer would make a gun and launch the bullet and hopefully be non lethal

although earlier on in the thread somebody justified massacring 10 protestants as stopping further murders of catholics.
if you were a spook ramping up loyalist violence could be a way of putting pressure on the provos to be serious about the peace talks.

well it didnt put any pressure on the provos , hardly any of ther members were killed . The overwhelming majority of those killed were randomly slected - and often deliberately selected- members of the wider nationalist community . An entire comunity was terrorised, not an organisation . . Thats who was targetted for terror in order to make them lower their political aims , to accept a compromise of British rule in some form .The killing squads accompanied a day to day grind of long delays at checkpoints , road closures, aggressive house searches were entire housing estates got sealed off for the day and home after home taken apart methodically with sledge hammers . That and aggressive body searches and petty harassment , constant obtrusive surveillance and fortification , the militarisation of virtually all nationalist communities and the daily experience of British army regiments peering down their gunsights at the local populace , delibertae;y unnerving them . . All designed to grind a community down incessantly . But the practice of a gang walking into your local pub at will and machine gunning whoever was sitting there , or at your local bookies , your local snooker hall , your local taxi rank . The individual asasinations of random catholics , that was the cutting edge . That was how anentire communtiy was left feeling very vulnerable .

.We know now that acepting British rule in some form was something Adams himself had already long accepted but did not care for obvious reasons to share with the rest of us . Hence the necessity for his Hume/Adams agreement to remain secret - to this day- from his own membership and voting base despite the document being supplied directly to the British and Irish governments before the ink was even dry on it .

A strategy based on a political position that by sheer necessity must remain a secret to nobody else only your own support base and organisation , but that your supposed enemy is given immediate access to is by definition nothing less than a strategy which wholly depends in the deliberate deceit of your own support base . Its precisely what Abbas is doing now in Palestine , absolutely no different and indeed probably the template for it given the appearance of both Tony Balir and US Senator george mitchell in the region.

To give an example of how this worked in practice not long after the provos called their ceasefire I attended a small meeting in Belfasts Conway Mill . It was organised by a tiny group called socialist democracy , a genuine phone box type outfit with about 4 members . No threat to any peace process . And all they were asking was what the hell is going on ? Is this going to be a return to Sunningdale ? Has both socialism and national liberation been abandoned ? Genuine political fears and genuine questions . And the provos response to this small meeting was to send a few enforcers to stand at the side of the room glaring at evry individual who attended and repeatedly asking them did they want the death squads to start going back into bars machine gunning innocent people again ? Did they want the nationalist people to be massacred in the streets ? If not then shut up . The irony being that even these guys themselves werent allowed to read the actual document upon which the entire strategy was based on but there they were defending it nontheless .

While the British government were given first dibs on it . One could have been forgiven for thinking this tiny socialist group had a bootload of kalashnikovs out in the carpark and were intent on distributing them such was the reaction of theprovos to a very sim[ple set of honest questions . But those questions were highly unwelcome and had to be silenced .

This silencing of the nationalist community itself , this enforcement of self censorship and not asking questions was very much what Gerry Adams and others like Denis Donaldson were most successful at . Its realy only in the last few years that voices have become confident enough to speak out again and by this stge nobody even needs to ask questions any more . We can see what went on with our own eyes . Apart from the Hume Adams document though , which remains unpublished.
 
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