N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
Because the Irish people need their right to self-determination. We don't want no British scum imperialism ruling our lives!
The debt the British people owe to Gerry Adams...
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Because the Irish people need their right to self-determination. We don't want no British scum imperialism ruling our lives!
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Why obviously? Do you say that in accordance with your own political wishes or is just obvious to everyone except me?
How will Ireland be reunited? It's a nice dream to have, of course but how will this happen at this present stage in time?
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
Why obviously? Do you say that in accordance with your own political wishes or is just obvious to everyone except me?
How will Ireland be reunited? It's a nice dream to have, of course but how will this happen at this present stage in time?
Because the socialist path is the one enviseged by Connolly and other revolutionaries. What other sort of Ireland do you think there'd be? Are you right wing? At this moment in time it'll be through democratic means.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
The Irish people have self-determination, until the banks scuttled the economy and the EU stepped in. The British don't dictate to us. They are a diluted force in the 6 counties. The real enemies of the people; the RC church and the lapdog subserviance to the US (at it's worst during the Bush years) these hindered the Irish people in recent years, much more than the last gasps of empire.
Fair enough man I'm not going to pretend I understand what it's like living in ireland. I just thought your post was a bit on the negative side.
Do you really think a United Ireland will change the conditions for the working class in Ireland and Northern Ireland? Won't you ultimately be ruled by capitalism?
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
The socialist path was envisaged 100 years ago for a very different land, N.
No, I am not right wing
petee
no gods, no malarkey
right, good, self-determination certainly has worked for the 26 cos., especially recently
Connolly was no Marx.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
right, good, self-determination certainly has worked for the 26 cos., especially recently
Was that the people or those in control? Stop making the Irish out to be simpleton idiots who need some sort of help.
And Marx was no prophet.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
right, good, self-determination certainly has worked for the 26 cos., especially recently
That's a stupid thing to say.
I don't pretend to know what it's like to grow up in NI either, but if you advocate a socialist future, that can only be achieved by forging alliances across the sectarian divide, can't it?
petee is not saying that he does not want an end to sectarianism!
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
I'm not saying he's wrong but in a present day context, his model may need re-fashioning.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ah, that second bit was aimed at N_Igma
petee
no gods, no malarkey
well that'd be hard, as i'm the son of two of them.
you cast this originally in re-unification terms, then switched (in the quote above) to class terms. that's not fooling anyone. the people in the north can self-determine without any need of forming just another nation-state, however socialist you like, with the people in the south. perhaps they can self-determine with the people in england just as well, yes? that's be easier in the current circumstances.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
But practically speaking, starting from now, reaching across the sectarian divide to forge alliances based on real shared interests is the way forward, no? How else would you do it?
He probably wants a massive Pogrom clearing out the 'proddies'.
fiannanahalba
Feel the Love
Oglaigh na hEireann Abu.
AKA pseudonym
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As they say.. Ireland will never be free till the last capitalist is strangled by the guts of the last priest....
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
It has been, by a vote, the majority on both sides of the border agree, time to get over yourself.
grit
an ugly force for good
In theory yes, but the realities of implementing that would be considered by many to be impossible I think.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I don't know Reg, and the only time I've been to his country, I was toting an L1A1 SLR, so perhaps he's actually not "sticking up for a mate", but knows the difference between a typo and bad grammar, hmm?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
He was an insidious hard-right shit-bag who'd made clear in his previous actions and utterances that he had just as much contempt for any members of the "lower orders" in England, Scotland and Wales, as he had for them in Northern Ireland. Worthless fucking coup-plotting boss-class shite!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not that simple though, is it? Basically, if you accept electoral politics, you have to sell out some of the principles that kept you outside electoral politics, so calling Adams a "sell-out" is as much statement of fact as it is insult. It's a label that applies to every politician functioning inside an electorally-based political system.
Look at some of the dross that the Tories had as MPs in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Former hard-right Monday Club members who had to sell out their pro-repatriation politics to get a seat. Same with "new" Labour. How many of their MPs sold out any vague commitment to socialism to get a seat?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It should be kind of hard to get the Stickies and the Provos confused.
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