brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think your lot call these teething problems 'bumps along the way', not a mess. Off to the re-education lorry park for you TC!
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's such a rubbish deal, isn't it? Almost like it wasn't thought through properly and was signed in a panic. 
Butchers referenced me earlier for comments made about potential rioting and protests in the case of no deal chaos. To provide some context to that, it was said while also saying that I didn't think there was any realistic chance of no deal happening, regardless of the brinksmanship and bluffing. I was pretty consistent in saying that, and I think events have borne me out. Ultimately Johnson signed a shit deal at the last minute in order to avoid the chaos of no deal. And the shitness of that panicked deal is gradually being revealed bit by ill-considered bit.
Butchers referenced me earlier for comments made about potential rioting and protests in the case of no deal chaos. To provide some context to that, it was said while also saying that I didn't think there was any realistic chance of no deal happening, regardless of the brinksmanship and bluffing. I was pretty consistent in saying that, and I think events have borne me out. Ultimately Johnson signed a shit deal at the last minute in order to avoid the chaos of no deal. And the shitness of that panicked deal is gradually being revealed bit by ill-considered bit.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Diff worlds.It's such a rubbish deal, isn't it? Almost like it wasn't thought through properly and was signed in a panic.
Butchers referenced me earlier for comments made about potential rioting and protests in the case of no deal chaos. To provide some context to that, it was said while also saying that I didn't think there was any realistic chance of no deal happening, regardless of the brinksmanship and bluffing. I was pretty consistent in saying that, and I think events have borne me out. Ultimately Johnson signed a shit deal at the last minute in order to avoid the chaos of no deal. And the shitness of that panicked deal is gradually being revealed bit by ill-considered bit.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
What is sad is that there was an argument, however flawed imo, to stay in , vote for a labour government and then push for reform.There is a Euro group of MPs with a remain and reform position , the European United Left/Nordic Green Left . Over here both the Communist Party and Bloc Esquerda are members. In the case of the latter two parties for example they have been very critical of the EU over the vaccine delivery and have argued that Portugal should purchase vaccines outside the EU procurement , produce the vaccine in Portugal through a state owned company , either buy the patent or more abstractly the patent etc.
I'm not sure what ever happened to the remain and reform argument in the UK , it seemed to sink without trace and I cant remember actually seeing any suggested reforms . Effectively without that critical voice left remain just gets collapses into a mire, ironically of 'The EU love it or leave it'. I've seen arguments that suggest that to be critical of the EU is to play into the hands of Boris Johnson, where in fact I think that there is a case that not to be critical of it, where it is warranted , does exactly that. It might be a salient point for left remainers to revisit that reform agenda if they want to campaign on a more convincing platform than operation fear.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The incentive to reform from within will come via not wanting other countries to leave.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I asked five years go where are the remain demands. Not a single reply. Nothing. Still, tell me how you would reform the eu...
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Cameron demanded crumbs
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Well I hadn’t considered the torys and I should have done. The EU leaders had a good laugh kissing each other on the tv when he met them then completely cunting him off.
I was more thinking of the pro remainers debating here.
A bit of hand wringing about the Greeks but that was it. Full steam ahead. No concessions acceptable.
bimble
floofy
I don’t understand what’s going on but michael gove has according to this written to the EU saying, you were idiotic enough to threaten an article 16 last week. That was really bad. Now to put things right you must agree to this list of our demands or else we will do an article 16?
Seems ungreat.
Seems ungreat.
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Article 16 was intended for emergency use only. The EU overturned that and have fuelled the sectarian fire. Now they are getting requested to eat up what they dished out.
bimble
floofy
If the UK triggered article 16 it would fuel the fire less? I don’t get it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
did you notice the bit where the irish government only found about the commission's decision from twitter?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
28 days notice, Eu don't care.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There is no capitol for bimbles to storm, not by luck
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
god, you arrogant preening prick.
Now i'm part of the game
Now i'm part of the game
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why not?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
tbf the Tories did it the weekend before last to, even before the drunk intern cancelled Ireland. Clearly it's just another fun middle class habit Michaels addicted to.
Watch: We will have 'no hesitation' in triggering Article 16 if necessary, says Boris Johnson
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said his Government will have "no hesitation" in triggering Article 16 of the Northern Ireland protocol if 'disproportionate' problems arise result of the legislation.
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk
Treacle Toes
Time
UK asks EU for Brexit grace period extension to 2023, BBC reports
Britain has asked for an extension until 2023 of a grace period on checks that would be conducted on trade moving between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom to soften the Brexit impact on the province, the BBC reported.
www.reuters.com
bimble
floofy
Good morning to you too.
I was just explaining that no, 'bimbles' would not be storming the Capitol if there was a Capitol.
Don't know if you meant an EU Capitol, storming it demanding to be let back in or what but anyway.
Brexit has happened, it's far from the first time i've voted on the side of the minority & lost. Not wildly enthusiastic or optimistic about it but tbh am only here on this thread because a) i'm a bit interested in how the reality of it is going and b) i've not got a lot else better to do at the moment. I live here too so of course i want the thing to turn out well in the long run.
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ska invita
back on the other side
UK asks EU for Brexit grace period extension to 2023, BBC reports
Britain has asked for an extension until 2023 of a grace period on checks that would be conducted on trade moving between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom to soften the Brexit impact on the province, the BBC reported.
well if Irish government are pouring cold water on it I dont think its going to get very far
No sweeping change to Northern Ireland protocol, Ireland says
The European Union is considering demands by Britain and some Northern Irish politicians to extend grace periods for goods checks, but post-Brexit trade arrangements for the province will not change much, Ireland's foreign minister said.
www.reuters.com
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Of course it won't; this was just Gove seeing an opportunity to cuntstand in front of those that might back him in future.well if Irish government are pouring cold water on it I dont think its going to get very far
No sweeping change to Northern Ireland protocol, Ireland says
The European Union is considering demands by Britain and some Northern Irish politicians to extend grace periods for goods checks, but post-Brexit trade arrangements for the province will not change much, Ireland's foreign minister said.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ah you're declaring yourself a minoritarian, a menshevik so to speakGood morning to you too.
I was just explaining that no, 'bimbles' would not be storming the Capitol if there was a Capitol.
Don't know if you meant an EU Capitol, storming it demanding to be let back in or what but anyway.
Brexit has happened, it's far from the first time i've voted on the side of the minority & lost. Not wildly enthusiastic or optimistic about it but tbh am only here on this thread because a) i'm a bit interested in how the reality of it is going and b) i've not got a lot else better to do at the moment. I live here too so of course i want the thing to turn out well in the long run.
ska invita
back on the other side
oh
the impression its left me with is the oven ready deal is shit and northern ireland is hurting from it, and the grace period is desperately needed to be extended for at least two more years, so if it isnt extended it reflects badly on the deal itself and the tory government more broadly. if this is a move to say 'look how good i am at politics' its not really worked on me, though maybe im not the target audience for such genius
Gove can write an ineffective letter to clear up mess of his own making, well done him
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Interesting take on "cold water". All he's saying is that the NIP is unlikely to change. He also said that 'the Irish perspective is the hope the EU will show some flexibility on this'. The Irish don't give a fuck about checks on goods between GB and Northern Ireland. If the UK and Ireland could kick that can down the road forever I'm pretty sure they would and this is the first attempt to do so.well if Irish government are pouring cold water on it I dont think its going to get very far
No sweeping change to Northern Ireland protocol, Ireland says
The European Union is considering demands by Britain and some Northern Irish politicians to extend grace periods for goods checks, but post-Brexit trade arrangements for the province will not change much, Ireland's foreign minister said.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The Irish are stuck in the middle over brexit, have been from the start. Meanwhile the DUP continues to demand unicorns. Will they ever admit that supporting brexit was an appalling mistake on their part, that Martin McGuinness was right?
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