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[Pickman's model]

Lots of swede is used for animal feed.

Sadly there was no way to phrase that sentence so that it didn't rhyme.

lots of swede is used for animal fodder

 

[ViolentPanda]

Aren't Barbours made in Newcastle?
Really nice coats. We shall all dress like @Spymaster

Corrected that for you.

 

[Supine]

 

[Pickman's model]

i never thought boris johnson would be the man to stop the city

 

[ViolentPanda]

Red snapper is indeed great, as is gurnard. You have expensive tastes, though.

Sadly true!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Couldn't agree more. It sounds a bit Victorian, but I am very fond of devilled mackerel, and smoked mackerel pate is one of my signature dishes...

My dad still cold-smokes (as opposed to the widely-available hot-smoked) mackerel to use in his version of kedgeree, which is usually quite spicy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

True, but that decline is evidently down to warming oceans rather than overfishing.

That said, it's certainly possible to overfish pelagics like herring and mackerel: the North Sea herring stock collapsed due to massive fsihing pressure at the end of the 70s, although - unlike the Grand Banks cod - it did then recover.

When you over-fish to the extent that your catch diminishes by 99% over 2 decades, a recovery seems unlikely short of a complete fisheries ban, & savagely punitive policing of the fishery.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You got asked the same question.

Which was a basic "yes or no" in a referendum that was sold to us as "advisory" - that is, the answer to the referendum was supposed to feed further referendums regarding the customs union, freedom of movement, etc. That didn't happen.

Before you piss your bed & accuse me of being a remainer, I voted leave. What I didn't vote for, was a Tory "fuck you all" Brexit.

 

[Roadkill]

When you over-fish to the extent that your catch diminishes by 99% over 2 decades, a recovery seems unlikely short of a complete fisheries ban, & savagely punitive policing of the fishery.

Well, that's effectively what happened in both cases, though the North Sea ban was less complete because herring continued to come up as bycatch. Nevertheless, the herring stock did recover, whereas cod didn't.

 

[TopCat]

Which was a basic "yes or no" in a referendum that was sold to us as "advisory" - that is, the answer to the referendum was supposed to feed further referendums regarding the customs union, freedom of movement, etc. That didn't happen.

Before you piss your bed & accuse me of being a remainer, I voted leave. What I didn't vote for, was a Tory "fuck you all" Brexit.

Hey VP. I just get vexed here over the endless insults and sneery remarks towards anyone who voted leave.
It has not brought out the best in me for sure.

 

[Smangus]

Pah! TC u Brexit snowflake

 

[Supine]

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[Bahnhof Strasse]

Which was a basic "yes or no" in a referendum that was sold to us as "advisory" - that is, the answer to the referendum was supposed to feed further referendums regarding the customs union, freedom of movement, etc. That didn't happen.

This is gash, never heard the words ‘advisory’ and ‘referendum’ together until long after June 2016. Certainly don’t recall it ever being ‘sold as advisory’ at all.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is gash, never heard the words ‘advisory’ and ‘referendum’ together until long after June 2016. Certainly don’t recall it ever being ‘sold as advisory’ at all.

The advisory nature, if advisory it was, was undermined by the hmg thing we all got saying we will legislate on what you decide

 

[Supine]

This is gash, never heard the words ‘advisory’ and ‘referendum’ together until long after June 2016. Certainly don’t recall it ever being ‘sold as advisory’ at all.

it was - but that didn't get the headlines

 

[Winot]

it was - but that didn't get the headlines

There’s the legal/constitutional position which is that it was advisory, and there’s the political reality, which is that the people were told that the govt would do what they were told. The govt should never have promised that but they did and so that was that.

 

[two sheds]

Was only advisory if they didn't get the result they wanted

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There’s the legal/constitutional position which is that it was advisory, and there’s the political reality, which is that the people were told that the govt would do what they were told. The govt should never have promised that but they did and so that was that.

Yeah, Cameron made a big self-righteous performance about it cos he didn't imagine he'd lose - 'we take our instructions from the British people'

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

it was - but that didn't get the headlines

It was? It was sold as it, as claimed, or it was advisory? We know it was advisory, a referendum in the U.K. can be nothing else due to our lack of codified constitution. What I don’t recall is it ever being sold as advisory though..?

 

[ViolentPanda]

This is gash, never heard the words ‘advisory’ and ‘referendum’ together until long after June 2016. Certainly don’t recall it ever being ‘sold as advisory’ at all.

That twat Peston used the term weeks before the referendum, stating (to paraphrase) "of course, the govt will then hold further referendums as to the detail of an exit, if one is voted for".

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That twat Peston used the term weeks before the referendum, stating (to paraphrase) "of course, the govt will then hold further referendums as to the detail of an exit, if one is voted for".

Aristo know-nothing prick.

 

[Idris2002]

This is gash, never heard the words ‘advisory’ and ‘referendum’ together until long after June 2016. Certainly don’t recall it ever being ‘sold as advisory’ at all.

In your parliamentary system, where parliament is officially the be-all and end-all of politics, then all referenda are by definition advisory. But that makes no difference to the necessity of accepting the outcome of the referendum.

In Ireland, the referendum is a normal, ordinary, everyday part of politics. In the Westminster system, it is abnormal and extraordinary. It could only arise in the context of a breakdown in normal parliamentary life, such as when a devolved assembly has to be set up in the outer reaches of the periphery, or when a major political party is irrevocably split over a major, vital issue like membership of the EU.

It was necessary to destroy the village (accept the legitimacy of the referendum result) in order to save it (parliamentary supremacy).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Aristo know-nothing prick.

You calling me an aristo?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Aristo know-nothing prick.

He's a government mouthpiece then and now. He's certainly a far cry from any sort of journalist

 

[Raheem]

Northern Ireland eels can’t be sold in Britain after Brexit

Fishermen say new changes mean they will have to find new markets

www.independent.co.uk

I haven't eaten eel since one time when my dad caught one when I was a kid.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Eels should be not be sold anywhere tbf. Euro eel is virtually finished. The only one we should be munching on is the lion fish but that hasn’t got here in numbers. Yet

 

[Roadkill]

Eels should be not be sold anywhere tbf. Euro eel is virtually finished

This. There's also the fact that eels are revolting.

<scarpers>

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Eel sushi's nice. Think that might be a different kind of eel though.

I've eaten jellied eels once in a trad pie and mash shop. Not in a rush to repeat the experience.

 

[not-bono-ever]

It’s the Japanese freshwater eel in sushi. Different but endangered I think

 

[not-bono-ever]

This. There's also the fact that eels are revolting.

<scarpers>

I always had a soft spot for eels tbf. Their migration makes the more famous salmon look like lightweights.